Waiting to exhale...(update:N2O Dyno p.7)

[QuickSEV6]

You have me thinking BAD financial decisions all of a sudden!

Tell me about it.
Now, with a bike payment, a Yaris payment and still recovering from Christmas debt, I still want to go back to modding my Solara.

Looks like I have to work even MORE overtime.

[GzNutz]

Thanks for the quick replies!!!
I cleared the codes last night and took the car for a 2hr joy ride at 70-75mph and an occasional jump to 90.
(I can't wait to get the summer wheels back on!)
The ride produced no CEL and also drives to and from work were just as uneventful.

My guess would be that you will need to run a O2 sim. after the cat.

I will look in to one incase the light pops on again and if Midas' antifowler doesn't work first.

Do the antifowler mod the worst thing that happens is you waste 5 dollars and it does not work.
I know I posted a tutorial somewhere when I first discovered it and brought it to the board.

I'm going to have to find the tutorial and try it out.

You have me thinking BAD financial decisions all of a sudden!

Tell me about it.
Now, with a bike payment, a Yaris payment and still recovering from Christmas debt, I still want to go back to modding my Solara.

Looks like I have to work even MORE overtime.

Hey, if overtime is a reliable and abundant source of income... then it can't be too bad of a financial decision!

[Midias]

Do the antifowler mod the worst thing that happens is you waste 5 dollars and it does not work.
I know I posted a tutorial somewhere when I first discovered it and brought it to the board.

I'm going to have to find the tutorial and try it out.

I looked all around and could not find it so I made a new one I did find a couple of posts where I posted the pics that may have been what I was thinking about.

http://www.solaraguy.com/viewtopic.php?p=499737#499737

[GzNutz]

I looked all around and could not find it so I made a new one I did find a couple of posts where I posted the pics that may have been what I was thinking about.

http://www.solaraguy.com/viewtopic.php?p=499737#499737

Thank you so much, really saved me some search time! I will do this as a safe guard once the weather is a little nicer.

[Down2TheC]

So wait... you're running with no AFC tweak? No SplitSecond at all? If that's the case and you get no CELs down the road, then a CP-e ride could do the same most likely. (mentally reserves some cash...)

[GzNutz]

Yup, I spoke with PXLpainter regarding this before I made my purchase. He informed me that the injen intake still uses the car's MAF to plot and supply the correct a/f ratio.

Except for the cat CEL's where an o2 sim or antifoul mod would clear them up... I have had no problems at all...knock on wood! I'm not too sure about CP-e because don't they use their own pre programmed MAF... unable to change unless tuned?

[crispone]

Yup, I spoke with PXLpainter regarding this before I made my purchase. He informed me that the injen intake still uses the car's MAF to plot and supply the correct a/f ratio.

Except for the cat CEL's where an o2 sim or antifoul mod would clear them up... I have had no problems at all...knock on wood! I'm not too sure about CP-e because don't they use their own pre programmed MAF... unable to change unless tuned?

^^^ Yeah, but the CP-e "augments" the existing MAF sensor... which is REATTACHED to the CP-e intake during the install. It SHOULD theoretically behave with a similar threshold of compensation. On the OTHER hand, it MAY behave dramatically different in terms of it's FLOW CHARACTERISTICS THRU the MAF, due to the header/exhausts reduced restriction... which would be manifest in BIGGER gains that JUST the JP exhaust alone.

Does ANYONE have the JP + CP-e?

(Down2theC... I am having the SAME SICK THOUGHTS! ...you go first!)

Maybe we should get a remap on the dyno with that setup and share the map!? (Time for another road-trip to MD, right? )


Keep us posted...


PS: I'd want the resonator... that's just a little TOO rough for my frequent and long highway drives... and the way I PUNCH it frequently around town? ...I'd attract TOO MUCH unwanted attention!

-crisp

[Midias]

Yes PXLpainter has both and for some reason I remember CPE had considered writing a new program for headers installed but I cannot remember if they ever did it.

[GzNutz]

^x2 PXL is the only one I know of with both as well.

Well, the CEL is back! I will use the antifouler mod once the weather is warmer. No emissions test any time soon so I'm not in a hurry.

I was also considering the URD MAF Sensor Calibrator. Any thoughts on this?

[crispone]

Yes PXLpainter has both and for some reason I remember CPE had considered writing a new program for headers installed but I cannot remember if they ever did it.

Jeff, did YOU put a resonator in the plumbing to mitigate the heavy rasp? What is YOUR opinion on noise-vs-performance, etc... (I KNOW you have gone thru this in here before... but I need a refresher!)

Thanks!

-crisp

[GzNutz]

Hitting up the dyno in west bend today at 3. I will post up results tonight. I hope the numbers without tuning will justify the cost a little bit....or make me want to put more into the car!

[PXLpainter]

DAMN! You guys write this sh!t fast! I just caught up to this post!!

Congrats on getting your JPP setup!
(so THAT'S what they look like new and off the car!!)

I was wondering if it was a matter of time before you started throwing CEL codes on that back sensor. That's where the Split Second box helped me out when they did the last tune. Their next option was to replace it with a more robust (higher temp/tolerance) sensor - but it's stayed in tune and no CELs fine for past several months now.

Note: CPe alone won't do it - even after re-mapping, because again, you will have issues with the sims and rear sensor.

I have no resonator and still no raspiness because
a) I have a TRD Muffler
b) I dont' have an Injen Intake!

Seriously - the Injen not only affects intake sound because of the restricted airflow, but also exhaust tone. It will also affect performance as you won't have nearly the gains that more airflow will provide you in the loop.

Anxious to see what kind of dyno numbers you end up with too. Helps to have a baseline though, so if you don't have numbers on the same car/same dyno before you installed, then it doesn't mean much I'm afraid. I ran out of funds to keep messing with mine and get actual dyno numbers before/after installs.

[GzNutz]

Hrrmmm...

Well... here it goes:

Mustang Dynamometer w/ PowerDyne software

Max Power:
184.6 @ 5692 RPM / 86.3 MPH
with WCF = 186.8 hp

Max Torque:
189.8 @ 4408 RPM / 63.4 MPH
with WCF = 192.1 ft/lbs

Throw in a 20% loss for the tranny I can estimate ~223/224hp at the fly.
All in all I think these headers have potential once tuned. Until I have the time and money to get a real tune done I will have to get my hands on a tuneable CP-e or MAF sensor calibrator.

I didn't get the a/f map done because I don't forsee a tune anytime soon.
Will post up curves once I get them via email.

I am happy with the headers knowing there is still a lot of power that can be tapped by a proper air/fuel curve.

[JavaJoe_2]

Next time have them run the a/f numbers. I wonder where you're at in open loop. That would tell if you're saturating the rear O2, or leaning it out.

[PXLpainter]

The whole system needs more airflow and to be leaned out more. The CPe will provide both, but a 3rd party tune box will solve the O2 sensor issues... not to mention max HP from your setup.

Butt dyno is remarkably more - even in my ragtop. Hard not to chirp tires at a stop now, but you won't get a full-blown 3-gear burnout with our crappy tranny.