So I take my car to the dealership....

[dvdchris45]

I took on thursday to address the sunroof TSB and the 'hesitation' issue. Long story short my dad goes to pick up my car yesterday and finds out they serviced the ENTIRE car, I'm talking the whole 9. Wheel balancing, alignment, etc..etc..Theres no signature whatsoever on the papers that prove we signed for these services. Basically, we're in a huge fight with the dealership now because we supposedly "Agreed" to get this stuff done.

Now what pushed me to the edge was Toyota CHANGED MY OIL (included in these rape-you-for-your-money-services) from my Mobil 1 Full Synthetic Oil to the vegetable oil and water toyota usually puts in their vehicles. These guys didnt even BOTHER to look at the Mobil 1 sticker on my windshield. I let them have a piece of my mind and that theres no way I'm paying for the replacing of this motor oil (synthetic is not cheap) So they at least offered to change it back on them.

The icing on the cake:
My car STILL has to go back to the dealer ...Reason: They have to order the cable-assembly parts.

And for the throttle/tranny hesitation problem: "We looked up your vehicles's VIN # and IT says there is no ecu/tranny/throttle lag TSB for it.

Sigh....Now my car is at the dealer and I'm gonna give my local Lexus dealership a call and see if they can do something about the lag. Man, at this point I dont care if they program an ES330's software into my ECU. It possibly couldnt be any worse.

On a side note: I test drove a 2005 RX330 (loaner that they gave to my cuz) and it the throttle response was awesome. The power flows so freely.
Nevertheless, that was my adventure.

[Astro]

Damn Chris, I wish you luck. What dealership did you go to anyway? That's f'up that they didn't have you sign a service agreement, I think they are at fault and know it. They are probably giving you a hard time because someone didn't follow the rules. Get on them!!!! I'm pretty sure they have to have signitures to make it official. Here are a list of TSB's I found on https://www.infotraxx.com/. It is free to this point, but when you upgrade they give detailed descriptions and how to go about fixing them.

Larry


TSB ID Description Issue Date
120003 PAINT COLORS 2003-07-21
121306 SEAT BELT EXTENDER 2003-12-09
121307 WATER LEAK AT COWL - WATER ON FRONT FLOOR 2003-12-11
122056 PRE-DELIVERY SERVICE (PDS) 2004-08-04
122057 PRE-DELIVERY SERVICE (PDS) INFORMATION 2004-08-04
122074 POOR RADIO RECEPTION 2004-02-23
122076 ZERO POINT CALIBRATION REQUIRED WHEN REPLACING VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL OR STEERING RELATED PARTS 2004-02-04
122081 OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM INITIALIZATION 2004-02-26
122083 VEHICLE PULL IMPROVEMENT PROCEDURE 2004-02-04
122636 MIL ON - ENGINE MISFIRE DTC P0300/P0301/P0302/P0303/P0304/P0305/P0306 2004-04-12
122638 MIL ON - DTC P0010 OR P0020 2004-04-16
122646 U151E/U151F TRANSMISSION SOLENOID IDENTIFICATION 2004-04-06
122648 MIL ON - DTC P0748/P0798/P0985/P0986 2004-04-16
123398 EXCESSIVE SULFUR DIOXIDE ODOR 2004-05-24
123402 OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM INITIALIZATION (DTC B1150 AND B1650) - REVISED 2004-05-11
123406 REPAIR MANUAL CORRECTIONS INDEX 2004-05-18
123883 TONNEAU COVER IMPROVEMENT 2004-06-08
123893 REAR PACKAGE TRAY RATTLE 2004-06-02
123894 MOON ROOF (SLIDING ROOF) RUBBING / SHUDDERING NOISE - REVISED 2004-06-21
123895 MOON ROOF (SLIDING ROOF)RUBBING / SHUDDERING NOISE 2004-06-18
124581 WINDSHIELD WIPER BLADE MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING - REVISED 2004-07-13
124584 EXCESSIVE SULFUR DIOXIDE ODOR - REVISED 2004-07-29
124598 WHEEL FILM FOR BRAKE ROTOR RUST PREVENTION 2004-07-16
124604 REAR SUSPENSION NOISE 2004-07-27
125091 MIL ON, DTC P0171 AND/OR P0174 - ENGINE RUNNING LEAN 2004-08-04
125095 MIL ON, DTC P0031 AND/OR P2238 2004-08-23
125099 POWER WINDOW/ROOF INITIALIZATION PROCEDURES 2004-08-10
125102 TIRE PRESSURE WARNING SYSTEM INITIALIZATION PROCEDURE CLARIFICATION 2004-08-27
125103 U240E / U241E TRANSAXLE SOLENOID IDENTIFICATION 2004-08-26
125706 ENGINE BANK 1 AND BANK 2 A/F AND O2 SENSOR IDENTIFICATION 2004-09-03
125709 ACCESSORY DRIVE BELT SQUEAL / BELT TENSIONER RATTLE 2004-09-08
125714 CONVERTIBLE TOP WIND NOISE IMPROVEMENT 2004-09-20
125716 PAINT STAINS UNDER RAPGARD - REVISED 2004-09-09
126015 PRE-DELIVERY SERVICE (PDS) - REVISED 2004-10-11
126031 TIRE PRESSURE WARNING SYSTEM INFORMATION AND RE-INITIALIZATION 2004-10-07
126355 REPAIR MANUAL SUPPLEMENT: LEV II EVAP SYSTEM CHECK - DTC P0441/P0442/P0446/P0451/P0452/P0453/P0455/P0456 2004-11-12
126357 IRON PARTICLE RUST CONTAMINATION REPAIR 2004-11-16
126362 TIRE PRESSURE WARNING SYSTEM INITIALIZATION PROCEDURE CLARIFICATION - REVISED 2004-11-09
126582 SENSOR INSPECTION FOR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM 2004-12-16
126588 SEAT BELT EXTENDER 2004-12-09
126595 MIL ON - DTC P0604/P0606 AND/OR P0607 2004-12-21
126597 IRON PARTICLE RUST CONTAMINATION REPAIR - REVISED 2004-12-16
126598 PRE-DELIVERY SERVICE - REVISED 2004-12-09
126601 VEHICLE PULL/DRIFT IMPROVEMENT PROCEDURE - REVISED 2004-12-02
126604 ECM RESET MEMORY FUNCTION AFTER A/T REPLACEMENT OR REPAIRS - REVISED 2004-12-20
126902 LEV II EVAP SYSTEM CHECK - DTC P0441/P0442/P0446/P0451/P0452/P0453/P0455/P0456 - S/M REVISION - REVISED 2005-01-06

This is some info I got on http://www.alldata.com/

TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
EL002R-04 MAY 04 SRS - Occupant Classifications System Initialization
TC004-04 APR 04 A/T Control - MIL ON, DTCs P0748/P0798/P0985/P0986
EG007-04 APR 04 Engine Control - MIL ON, DTC P0010 or P0020
EG005-04 APR 04 Engine Control - MIL ON, Misfire DTCs Stored
TC002-04 APR 04 A/T - Solenoid Identification
ST002R-04 MAR 04 Steering/Suspension - Vehicle Pulling to The Left
BO017R-03 MAR 04 Interior - Trim Panels Loose/Fit Poorly
AU002-04 FEB 04 Audio System - Poor Radio Reception
BR001-04 FEB 04 Brakes/Traction Control - Zero Point Calibration
BO025-03 DEC 03 Interior - Water Leaks Onto Front Floor Area
SS004R-01 SEP 03 Engine Controls - Error When Reprogramming ECU
SS002R-01 SEP 03 Engine Controls - ECU Reprogramming Procedure

[dvdchris45]

I took it to Keyes, larry. These guys just walk around all day with their fingers up their noses. I called and asked about the the throttle lag issue for my car but the manager stressed the tsb doesnt call for my car's vin range (doesnt match). I'm gonna give toyota of noho a call. What was that guy's name you suggested?

[Astro]

Damn, crazy shlock-dock-wikki-wacki-dacki. Try calling Joey Bernardo, he's been pretty good with June and I. I believe he's been pretty good with working on fixing problems, but we really haven't dealt much with TSB's (luckily).

Joey Bernardo
Asst. Service
Manager
818.508.2900
ext. 242

(Thought it'd be funny to post his pic. LOL)

[Jackass-Jeff]

and now you go to longo just to 'test it out'

that's crap! no signatures = don't pay.

you should have paid w/ a check and stated on it "DID NOT SIGN FOR SERVICE" in the memo so it can be like a deposit to take your car... then sue for the cash back.

Hopefully they don't have a signature on file (some shady dealers forge)

[Down2TheC]

- The fact that they changed your oil from Mobile one is actually a good thing. That's an obvious case of them "taking initiative" and lends credance to your claim that they did all the other stuff w/o being asked. Tell them you'll be taking them to small claims if they don't refund you all the labor for the other items. That's a reasonable compromise.

- on the TSB, unless it came out in the past week, the guy was BSing you. As of one week ago when I went in for my exhaust replacement, there was no TSB released yet for the lag fix for any Solara. I'm hoping the press release was right and that it will still be coming.

[mmcdonald]

Guys, guys, just do DocJohn's vacuum trick and the lag will be gone. It only takes 2 minutes to re-route the vacuum lines.

I have no more lag and I get about 1.5 - 2 mpg better than before. About 34mpg on the highway with 2 - 200+ lbs males, and 75mph average.

[PhreakdOut]

Guys, guys, just do DocJohn's vacuum trick and the lag will be gone. It only takes 2 minutes to re-route the vacuum lines.

I have no more lag and I get about 1.5 - 2 mpg better than before. About 34mpg on the highway with 2 - 200+ lbs males, and 75mph average.

Amazing! I can't get anywhere near 34mpg on my SE-V6 and I did do Doc's intake trick. (With one person in the car.)

Seriously, it seems that not everyone has the lag issue. I still do even after the vacuum trick. Granted, Doc's mod helped, but there's definately a programming issue with the TBW or transmission downshift / upshift.

[Down2TheC]

I doubt our mileage varies that much. Our guages on the other hand... Some people post their mileage assuming that the cute little number on the dash is correct. I'm guessing that's why you see some folks saying 17 and some saying 25. Up in the 30's, 34 guage = 32 reality. I get 30 without the mod so I believe it. But I have to drive like a pussy to get that. I'm definately doing the DocMod for the 750 mile trip to MD though.

[slingshot]

Agreed, the only way to get 32 or over average (green display posted average, not real) is to get up to speed on the highway, stay mostly at that speed, hardly ever accelerate again and if you do, make it slow.

[mmcdonald]

That's what I do do (huh-huh, I said do do)

I get up to speed on the BW Parkway, and roll all the way down the hill to DC. I get 34 on that route. Then on the way back uphill it's lower, around 30.

I have driven all the way to Wilmington, NC with two women and luggage in the car and gotten 30.5 BEFORE the mod.

I'll see what I do on the trip to Bar Harbor next month.

[crimson blades]

I have been kind of curious about my mileage too. I'm doing a road trip to Bar Harbor as well in three weeks and was thinking about just driving the speed limit and taking it easy to see what kind of mileage I can get. With my last car there was a very noticable difference between 60-65mph and 75mph. I'm wondering if the Slolara will as well

[slingshot]

I've gotten low 30's mpg on the highway even while cruising at 70. I just never accelerated hard and kept my speed as nonvarying as possible on long highway rides. I haven't seen any mileage difference between driving at 60 or 70.

[Down2TheC]

Cruise Control Baby! The diff in this ride is much better than my last Camry. That one was 21mpg at worst and 23 mpg at best. Must be the modern ECU and the TBW helping out once up to speed.

I'll be keeping detailed records on my roadtrip next weekend so I can compare with the post-mod. All results will be posted with the dyno data in June. For the Mazda, cp-e realized 3-5mpg improvement.

... But we digress... Hey, Chris. What's the deal with your dealer. Any movement on the bogus bill?