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car will not start after 5 speed swap *update* 9/19/09

Postby TxBmbleBee » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:48 pm

^^^im using a fidanza flywheel as well and it sounds like the grinding sound you are mentioning. but i just dont understand why its grinding when others with fidanzas have never complained.

oh yea and do you know of anyone who ever got the manual ecu to work? im debating if its worth the hassle, i do want cruise control tho
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Postby Eye8Pussies » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:26 pm

yeah, but I don't remember who it was...


it was a guy on TN with a gen4 camry and he said that all he did was plug the ecu in and it worked

as for cruise control though...not too sure about that
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Postby JavaJoe_2 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:20 am

TxBmbleBee wrote:as far as rewiring the manual ecu, sounds like a plan but what if its faulty to begin with?



Can you call a local Toyota to see if they can plug it in to run a diagnostic on it??
Call and ask how much first, might be cheaper to go to the junk yard again. I doubt that both would be bad.
Harnesses would be the same. Especially since you found plugs/wires for the manual to begin with.
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Postby TxBmbleBee » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:10 am

^^yes but knowing toyota, they will want their cut for simply checking it out. but i guess it cant hurt to call. i am thinking of buying another manual ecu just to try it out one last time b4 i go splicing wires everywhere. and the auto harness is diff, it does not come with the reverse light adapter that plugs into the tranny, however it does use the same vss.
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Postby gnegroni » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:53 am

TxBmbleBee wrote:^^yes but knowing toyota, they will want their cut for simply checking it out. but i guess it cant hurt to call. i am thinking of buying another manual ecu just to try it out one last time b4 i go splicing wires everywhere. and the auto harness is diff, it does not come with the reverse light adapter that plugs into the tranny, however it does use the same vss.

Well, they can only charge you for the diagnostic, $60 in my case.
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Postby kingkakyle » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:28 pm

gnegroni wrote:
TxBmbleBee wrote:^^yes but knowing toyota, they will want their cut for simply checking it out. but i guess it cant hurt to call. i am thinking of buying another manual ecu just to try it out one last time b4 i go splicing wires everywhere. and the auto harness is diff, it does not come with the reverse light adapter that plugs into the tranny, however it does use the same vss.

Well, they can only charge you for the diagnostic, $60 in my case.


diagnostics in my area is about 110 =(
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Postby gnegroni » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:12 pm

kingkakyle wrote:
gnegroni wrote:
TxBmbleBee wrote:^^yes but knowing toyota, they will want their cut for simply checking it out. but i guess it cant hurt to call. i am thinking of buying another manual ecu just to try it out one last time b4 i go splicing wires everywhere. and the auto harness is diff, it does not come with the reverse light adapter that plugs into the tranny, however it does use the same vss.

Well, they can only charge you for the diagnostic, $60 in my case.


diagnostics in my area is about 110 =(

They think they work on BMWs and Mercedes Benz?
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Postby Gibson99 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:18 pm

Eye8Pussies wrote:yeah, but I don't remember who it was...


it was a guy on TN with a gen4 camry and he said that all he did was plug the ecu in and it worked

as for cruise control though...not too sure about that


i'm pretty sure craig's cruise will be fine. my 98 was born without cruise, and i installed cruise parts from an automatic camry (from ekopel on TN), and everything bolted right up and works fine. i just had to look at the wiring diagram to find that i also needed to add the clutch switch. in an auto, it plugs into the actual floor shifter assy and if the cruise ecu detects neutral, it cancels cruise. electrically, it's exactly the same as pressing the clutch when it's all put together right.

speaking of wiring diagrams: that's why i suggested hardwiring the ecu to make it think its in neutral all the time. i agree that for reverse lights all he needs to do is find that plug on a junkyard car, cut off a few inches of harness, and splice it in and be done with it. that ought to cover it.
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Postby Eye8Pussies » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:35 pm

hmm...I'll look into that too....just because I've never had the time to fiddle around with it

too bad I need the spot to put my meth reservoir though.

I guess we'll see...maybe it'll work
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Postby TxBmbleBee » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:23 pm

im kind of stumped guys. the starter seems to be fine but it stills make a hideous grinding noise right when the car starts up. pressing on the clutch doesnt seem to have any effect on the noise. my mom doesnt know anything about cars, and i had her start it up while i played with the clutch fork with my hands. her exact words "that doesnt sound good" lol sigh

something weird i found out tonight too. i tried starting the car with the clutch pedal up and...nothing. i pressed the clutch pedal and it fired up. this was with my old auto ecu mind you. weird i know. just throwing this out there but any idea if me not splicing the gear selector and putting it in neutral has anything to do with the grinding? i wouldnt think it would bc splicing that wire is just to get it to start i think.
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Postby JavaJoe_2 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:56 pm

Are the starters the same for an auto vs. the manual? All I came up with was a 1.2 vs. a 1.4 kw??
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Postby Eye8Pussies » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:35 pm

they are physically the same, yes



and at this point, either live with the noise on start-up, or pull it all out and take a look...I'm putting money on the pressure plate hitting the bellhousing
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Postby TxBmbleBee » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:43 pm

^^^how long was it till your noise went away and it carved out the bell housing??
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Postby SpeedySolara » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:44 pm

TxBmbleBee wrote:^^^im using a fidanza flywheel as well and it sounds like the grinding sound you are mentioning. but i just dont understand why its grinding when others with fidanzas have never complained.

oh yea and do you know of anyone who ever got the manual ecu to work? im debating if its worth the hassle, i do want cruise control tho


I'm sure you remember a few months back I was attempting a manual swap. Anyway, during my research I found that the cruise control module is the same part # as per the Toyota tech so everything should be able to plug in. As for the ECU, my boy totaled his 5 speed solara so if you're willing to wait another week or so he could sell you his...he's parting out everything he could anyway so might as well reserve it for you and help you out.
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Postby ozone » Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:43 am

There is another possible reason the car wouldn't start with the manual ECU. If the car the manual transmission ECU came from had an immobilizer, then you will need the key from that car to start it. Were you still using your key? Do you even have the key from the manual transmission ECU car? If your car doesn't have an immobilizer and the manual tranny car did, it will never start, because I presume you don't have the key reader in you steering column. If both cars had immobilizers, and you don't have the key to the manual tranny car, you will have to have your key reprogrammed to match that ECU, but I think you need the VIN of the manual tranny car to do that. I'm not sure. I think there is a way to do it yourself in the car, but I don't recall how.

It's also not weird that the car started when you pushed in the clutch with the auto ECU installed. You said in your first post that the clutch was depressing the start switch. In this diagram, which you should have gotten before doing this swap, you can see that all the neutral start switch does (blue arrow) is connect the two points marked with the green arrows. Well, you installed the clutch switch (red arrow) which now performs that purpose, but only when the clutch is pressed.

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Another thing to consider, if you keep the auto ECU is that the computer is going to try to shift the transmission by sending out signals to the shift solenoids. From the book, I quote, "When shifting to 1st speed, current flows from TERMINAL S1 of the engine control module to TERMINAL 3 of the electronically controlled transmission solenoid to GROUND, and continuity to the No. 1 solenoid causes the shift." In this diagram, the one you should have, that would be flow from the red arrow, to the green arrow to the blue arrow. If the shift solenoid is not present this connection will be open circuit. On later model cars, the ones with the 3mzfe engine, the ECU will retard the timing when the car is shifted. If you don't connect the shift solenoids (or something that acts like them) the ECU will not act as it should and the car may accelerate like crap. I'm not really sure how it will act, because I don't know if these early model cars altered the timing or not, plus I don't drive automatics and so I don't know much about them. But I would assume so because it is, after all, an electronically controlled transmission. trd4life (this website) has confirmed that the engine will run poorly on an auto ECU if you don't simulate the solenoids. And warning, I wouldn't just connect them straight to ground. Measure the resistance of the solenoids and connect them to ground through similar resistors. Otherwise, it may sink too much current and burn out that part of the ECU. Just a thought.
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Good luck with your swap. I hope it works out for you.
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