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Hard Decisions

Hard Decisions

Postby tresola » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:02 am

I'm a newbie to the forum, looking to buy my first Solara. I previously owned a '95 Celica GT and a '04 Camry SE V6. I really like the looks of the Solara, and it is very comfortable to ride in as well.

But the right car is tough to find! I am really set on owning another manual, and everyone knows how tough it is to find a manual Solara. I have found two prospects so far, each with its own issues. Since this forum is so knowledgeable and helpful in so many topics, I was hoping maybe you can help me make a "decision" of which car may be a better bet.

1999 SE 178k for $3875. Nice body, nice interior! However, a mechanical inspection turned up bald tires, bad brakes, leaky valve covers, leaky power steering pump, left inner tie rod has a little play in it, and new belts are needed, possibly timing belt too. Possibly up to $2000 in repairs, eventually. The car runs very well, although my bf noticed the tranny seemed just a little off in shifting, like you needed just a little more effort to get it into the gears. The mechanic didn't check the tranny fluid, and we're wondering if it needs a tranny fluid change, or if something could be wrong with the tranny itself. The clutch seemed fine and the rpms matched speed. The suspension was very solid and very little body lean. The radio is missing a button so I am thinking of buying a different one to throw in. Its a dark red color too, nice.... Its also at a small dealership who refuses to acknowledge the car has any shortcomings and probably won't go down on the price too much since they can "replace" brakes & tires for cheap. Yeah, I know what you get when you buy cheap auto parts. No thanks! The salesman also wants me to drive the 30 mile drive up there and have a chat with him and his manager about the price. Don't like that either.

2000 SE 103k for $4599 obo. The body has damage- it needs a new front clip. The guy first told me his gf hit a parking block when parking, then he said his mother hit a snowbank with it. He talked about an accident he had a few years ago where a motorcycle slid into the car and took the bumper and radiator out. I'm a little uncomfortable with the inconsistencies in the damage stories, although the title is clean, I had it checked. The interior is in a little rougher shape and the power seats ticks a little as it moves. I'm not sure it raises like it should either. Expensive fix? The seats seem just a little more broken down too. There are no leaks to be found in the engine compartment, although I'll have my mechanic inspect it, plus autobody person. The tranny was solid, the clutch was done at 85k. I found it a little hard to find reverse for some reason, I've never had that problem. The car runs a little rough but since the guy didn't really do any maintenance besides oil change, its to be expected. The car shakes violently at high speeds although the guy said he just got brand new tires. Well, 2 anyways, and they are a super cheap brand so all 4 tires need replacing immediately. But the shake is bad so I'm wondering if there's more going on than that. Periodically the brake light warning shows up on the dash but the guy's not really saying much about that problem. We also think the suspension is a little rougher than the other car as well. I like the climate control unit in the '00 vs. '99 as well. He put in an aftermarket radio that I'd like to replace, and I actually wanted the factory radio. We met the guy off Craigslist and it was odd how trusting he was to meet somewhere and we took out the car alone. He will also let us borrow it to have it inspected anytime. He already has a new vehicle, but still....! Again, title checks out so who knows. This car is gold metallic.

One thing interesting I noted was there was no filler piece that went into the black moulding around the windshield on the '99 but there was a white filler in the black moulding on the '00. What's normal for these cars? My Celica did not have a filler in the moulding and I didn't think the Solara did either. ??

So.... what are your thoughts and opinions? Yesterday I was thinking if the '00 checks out mechanically and body-wise, it would be a good deal if I can get a cheap new bumper for it. But now I'm thinking since I was more comfortable in the '99 maybe the little bit of maintenance it would need wouldn't be so horrible, if I can get the salesman to cooperate with me. Note to self, sexier outfit next time. :P

Thanks guys, and I'm excited to finally be a part of this forum!
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Postby unbalancedwood » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:06 am

where are you located?
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Postby tresola » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:13 am

In in St. Paul Minnesota.
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Postby youngblood » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:19 am

Those cars sound like money pits! The mileage isn't necessarily a problem but only if the cars have been maintained (which they clearly have not).
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Postby tresola » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:26 am

Yeah, I really ought to!

I just found an '02 with 108k at $7495. Its a steep price for me, I really wanted to keep in the >$5000 range, but I'm also going to have a more hefty repair bill with a cheap car.

This car cloth seats, and I found those to be quite uncomfortable. Is it expensive & hard to swap with the nice leather seats? There is no moonroof either, which I require. Is it expensive to put one of those in as well?

This car is at a major dealership although its a bargain lot. Its a 5 speed 4 cylinder manual so I'll get better mileage with it (I have a short commute). The Carfax shows it was a rental car for 3 years, which concerns me although I know some rental agencies take extremely good care of their cars; its just the customers may have beat on them. This car is what my trade in is worth as well. I don't know if that'll work out!
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Postby youngblood » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:39 am

My theory about buying a used car- for every problem you are able spot before the purchase, another will rear it's ugly head within the first 12 months of ownership. It's always been true for me.

Kudos to you for getting inspections done on these cars! You are already ahead of the game in that regard, but even a trained mechanic won't find EVERY little problem a car has.

Good luck to you and keep checking back here for more feedback from gen 1-1.5 owners (I have a gen2).
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Postby yaddadaimsayin » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:14 am

^ 04 black sle FTW!

yeah, keep looking. It sounds like you can still do better. But because its such a hard car to find, that's what makes it so great! We are an elite few ;) Welcome to SG.
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Postby unbalancedwood » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:22 am

Im selling mine...135k $4000 come and get it lol. Reduced for quick sale! Many aftermarket parts, taken great care of, replaced many things, etc. Ill be making an official post when im not so busy with school and packing...

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Postby Chinky420 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:09 pm

don't buy the old rental car

being someone who has no respect for rentals myself, lemme just say, you don't want a solara that has potentially been beaten to hell, off roaded, etc.

if the very first solara you mentioned (99 for <$4000) had all those problems disclosed up front, you may want to give the dealership a little credit (they may have done a full inspection and actually found out all the problems with it)...if those problems were just what you found, then you should be wary that there are other problems that haven't shown their face yet.

it's costly to swap leather seats for cloth ones....it's been done, but i'm not sure it'll fit within your predicted budget.

the 2000 with body damage: if the owner admits to doing only the bare-minimum maintainance (oil changes only?!) then i'd walk away from it. solara's are rock solid only if they have all the maintainance done on a somewhat regular basis.
....if the car is shaking at high speeds, and it has nothing to do with the alignment, tires (wear and/or balancing), or rotor warping, then it's probably a sign of something more involved (and expensive).
...also, consider the possibility that all three accidents could have happened (snow bank, parking block, and motorcycle).

as far as the 02 is concerned...like i said at the top, it's kinda expensive to replace the cloth with leather, and if you're already spending above your confortable limit, then you may want to hold out for something more along the lines of what you're looking for (moonroof, leather, etc).

check on here....i believe there are a couple people who are looking to sell their solara....and most likely, if they're on here, they have taken fairly good (to extremely good) care of their car (i.e. unbalancedwood, above)


oh, and on my solara (gen 1, 1999 sle) there is no filler between the windsheild and the windshild frame.
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Postby tresola » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:52 pm

Unfortunately the '02 is an automatic, so I'm definitely passing, besides the rental thing kinda sucks.

The '00 I decided to take for a full mechanic and autobody work-up. I think if it passes with flying colors I should be okay. I didn't maintain my past Toyotas down to the maintenance schedule either, but they ran really well minus a small part here and there.

I worry about the shaking coming from body damage too, although the first accident was 2006 and this last one, well, who knows?! The guy seemed to think it coincided with new tires, but if you took a large enough hit to the front like that, you could screw up the suspension and possibly even frame. I'm not sure what the autobody inspection really does, but I think when they feel the shaking they will dig into it. The whole inspection costs me $50 and its backed by AAA, so I don't really have anything to lose by doing it.

We decided the guy's probably not worried about the car since he has another ride, and the fact the car may be worth more if its "stolen" than trying to sell it outright right now with the economy. If you treat your cars like objects, you're not going to care what happens to them. I am very fond of my cars myself, and it would really upset me if that happened, even if I had another car. If I do buy this one, I'll be parking my current car somewhere to get a serious buyer on it, but I'm going to still keep a close eye on it!

As for the '99, the salesman finally calls me up after blowing me off yesterday, and mumbled about my mechanic being right about the brakes and they ended up replacing them and the rotors. He was also going to do the tires, but he knew I was fussy about which tires I put on my vehicles. He then wanted to know where we stood. I said I had found another Solara I was in the process of checking out for good measure, and that I would let him know. I had put a hold on the car last week until I could test drive it, so he said he was then just going to put the car back out on the lot and that we'd see. If the car sold then, oh well! was his attitude. Nice. I was hoping with the problems that were uncovered I could use that as leverage to knock the price down a bit more since the car was overpriced. The salesman laughed at me and gave me the list of why the car is worth the price. Whatever. I'm still better off finding something with less miles and fewer maintenance problems.

And thanks for the offers of your cars, guys, but unfortunately you're all located too far away from me and I have no time off of work in the near future.
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Postby grnsolara » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:53 pm

PM sent offering a little help
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Postby tresola » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:37 pm

The guy wasn't able to bring the gold Solara to the mechanic yet, we're hoping for tomorrow. I really hope this car will be fine after new tires and a tuneup. My car made some bad noises driving home at lunch today, and I sure hope its going to last until I get it sold, then hopefully a few months for the new owner! :-?

If this doesn't work, I'm out of cars to consider for the moment and I'll have to wait. You're right, I shouldn't settle for less than what will make me happy. I'm tired of driving automatics, I cannot compromise on that. I get myself into trouble with them, there are really so many things you can do when all you have to concentrate on is brake & gas. I have changed cds, flipped through my iTouch... (don't worry, if I'm being spacy I stay a million paces behind traffic!) I got into a manual for that same reason years ago.

So who's got the gold Solara on here? Does it clean up & shine well? How is it for trouble on the road- do cops notice you & do people try to race you? The reason I ask is I've had bad luck with my red Celica, black Saab and black Camry. My white Subaru seems to be one of those bad choices as well, people like to screw with me although the cops ignore me.
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Postby tresola » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:03 am

I found an '01 SE private party with 145k. Automatic tranny though, but is has all the other options. The guy replaced the timing belt, water pump, battery and brakes. I think if I can get over the fact its an automatic, not a manual, this could be a good deal. He's asking $6200, which seams a little high according to Edmunds. I am not sure what my chances of getting it for the corect price of between $4-5500, just depending on the actual condition. ??
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Postby jimmm » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:44 am

Tresola wrote:
So who's got the gold Solara on here? Does it clean up & shine well? How is it for trouble on the road- do cops notice you & do people try to race you?

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I've got one of them and I love it. It shines even when it's dirty and covered with pollen, but I just hose it off and wipe it down and it's like a brand new coin again. I'm going to do the Meguiars Clay Kit this weekend that I saw demonstated on here, however, because I want it to have the mirror finish that I see on so many of the other cars on here.
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Postby tresola » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:37 pm

Nice! :D I think the gold is pretty fun. The guy didn't bother cleaning the car so it looked blah. I am a backyard detailer and I highly recommend the Wizards line. They've got a polish/sealant that does wonders on the paint, and I've had my cars so slippery you can't put anything on them because it falls right off. The clay will help remove bonded contaminents but its the actual polish that gives it that smoothness you're looking for. I also used to use Meguiar's professional glaze as well. I couldn't take a picture of my car because all you saw was reflections.

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I've found a beautiful dark green Solara that I'm currently in love with. My only worry is how hot the dark green's gonna get come summer. My black cars of course were roasting!
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