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smaller tires, faster rotation and braking gas mileage

smaller tires, faster rotation and braking gas mileage

Postby solaracanada » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:46 pm

I am now running on smaller tires after upgrading to 19' wheels. Of course, this means the rotation is faster for me to go at the normal speed. I feel i need to push the brakes harder to come to a stop. Anyone else experiencing this or is there some other factor that i am ignoring? I feel less safe in my vehicle now than before.

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I did a calculation, the gas mileage on the vehicle is now 1.5x to 2x worse. I am happy the car looks awsome now, but pretty upset about the horrible gas mileage.
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Postby dvdchris45 » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:11 pm

whats the tire size you're running? what you're feeling is probably right because the 17s are much heavier than the stockies and obviously more the mass you're hauling the more stopping power you're gonna need.

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Postby solaracanada » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:49 pm

i think i just need better brakes, right now im running on newly replaced oem brake rotors and pads. maybe i need something after market.

If memory serves me right, sebas is running on smaller tires too? How are you dealing with the braking issue?
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Postby PXLpainter » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:20 am

Unless you're skidding when you stop, the lower profile tires should actually stop and handle better than what you had before. Since you recently replaced your brakes, maybe check that your lines are properly bled - which would def. give you a softer feel.

Since I upgrade my brakes and added the SS lines, I have much improved stopping power now over OEM.
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Postby gnegroni » Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:48 pm

When opening a door, if you pull or push open the door by the handle it opens real quickly. However, try to open the same door by pushing or pulling by the hinges. Lot more difficult right?

Please correct me if I'm wrong: his problem resides in:

1) Heavier wheel (19" now vs x" prior?) - could be lighter that smaller wheels but...
2) More rotational inertia required to accelerate as well as stop the vehicle, thus...
3) Same torque applied by brakes whereas the weight has been moved further outside.

PXL is correct in that the smaller profile tire is more rigid so it should make brake feeling more solid, but you might be needing a brake upgrade to counter the newly added rotating "weight". Please note that you might be getting slightly lower MPG, especially on the city. If you were to compare both wheel combinations, stock and 19", it shouldn't be any different at a steady speed...its the acceleration and deceleration that kills you.

Definitely get brake upgrades if possible. Either way, you already know about the effects, and "knowing is half the battle". :sweet:
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Postby Jon11582 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:23 pm

Are you aired up? That could be responsible for your much worse gas mileage.

The thinner the tire, the more pressure needed. I generally put in 2-3 more PSI for every inch over spec from the stock diameter/psi.
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Postby solaracanada » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:02 am

wow, thanks guys, that makes a lot of sense.
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Postby gnegroni » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:07 am

Jon11582 wrote:Are you aired up? That could be responsible for your much worse gas mileage.

The thinner the tire, the more pressure needed. I generally put in 2-3 more PSI for every inch over spec from the stock diameter/psi.

Oh, this is definitely very important too... those lower profile tires need to have more than the typical 30 psi you use to put in the stock tires. Affects both MPG and performance.
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Postby Pogs » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:53 am

What tire pressure should low pros have..? On mine the tire is rated for a maximum of 48 I think, I run 34.
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Postby PXLpainter » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:10 am

I run 40psi in my 225/45/18s - seems to be a great combo of performance and longer tread wear for me. :up:
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Postby solaracanada » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:19 am

im running 42 psi
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Postby cklinh » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:32 am

Jon11582 wrote:Are you aired up? That could be responsible for your much worse gas mileage.

The thinner the tire, the more pressure needed. I generally put in 2-3 more PSI for every inch over spec from the stock diameter/psi.


Wow, that's good to know. Never came across that before.
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Postby Chinky420 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:09 am

the smaller tire, while making the rotational velocity faster, will make your milage go down, simply because each rotation of the wheel yeilds a shorter distance traveled.

smaller sidewall should create better cornering/handling/braking, as the shorter sidewall creates greater reaction by the tire during operation (less interference with sidewall flex).

unless your 19"+tire is larger (diameter) than the stock setup, you're speedometer is going to read higher than the speed you are actually going. depending on the overall size, it may be a wash, but i don't know since i don't know the exact size of the tires on the 19's

^^ this is also what will cause your breaking distance to increase. lets say, for example that your brakes are engaged for a full wheel rotation under heavy braking (for arguments sake). with the larger diameter wheel/tire, the braking patch is extended since the larger rotation = larger patch of street used to slow down. the smaller the wheel=smaller rotation=smaller patch of road to grab your tires and slow you down. ergo, smaller wheels --> less braking power --> larger distance needed to stop from a fixed speed.


as for the tire pressure issue....does nobody inflate to the recommended PSI that is listed on the rubber?
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Postby Sebas007 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:40 am

I run on 32 PSI inflated 215/55R17 tires. I went to 35 PSI on my 225/40R19

I wouldn't inflate my tires too much.
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Postby Jon11582 » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:34 pm

Chinky420 wrote:the smaller tire, while making the rotational velocity faster, will make your milage go down, simply because each rotation of the wheel yeilds a shorter distance traveled.

smaller sidewall should create better cornering/handling/braking, as the shorter sidewall creates greater reaction by the tire during operation (less interference with sidewall flex).

unless your 19"+tire is larger (diameter) than the stock setup, you're speedometer is going to read higher than the speed you are actually going. depending on the overall size, it may be a wash, but i don't know since i don't know the exact size of the tires on the 19's

^^ this is also what will cause your breaking distance to increase. lets say, for example that your brakes are engaged for a full wheel rotation under heavy braking (for arguments sake). with the larger diameter wheel/tire, the braking patch is extended since the larger rotation = larger patch of street used to slow down. the smaller the wheel=smaller rotation=smaller patch of road to grab your tires and slow you down. ergo, smaller wheels --> less braking power --> larger distance needed to stop from a fixed speed.


as for the tire pressure issue....does nobody inflate to the recommended PSI that is listed on the rubber?


Typically whats on the tire is the MAX Psi and not recommended. Recommended PSI can vary by car based on weight, geometry, etc. What might be recommended for a certain tire for one car may be completely different for the same exact tire on another car. Tire PSI is a balance between traction and mileage. More PSI = Better mileage, worse dry traction. Less PSI = Worse mileage, better dry traction. There are other factors as well, but these are the main ones. If your not going for Max G's in turns, you can even inflate higher than recommended, up to the max on the tire, and it will generally increase your mileage. At a certain point it, the lost traction can become a safety issue though, so I don't recommended just pumping it to the max.

If you are aired up and your mileage is still much worse, its probably a function of the new wheel/tires themselves. Maybe they are heavy or have a high moment of inertia. Also, if the tires are wider or stickier, there is more friction, and therefore better traction and less mileage. Or maybe now that your stylin', your launching harder from lights and stop signs. But 1.5x worse is still ridiculous.

I've noticed that if I keep the air up and I don't go nuts on the gas, my mileage isn't noticeably worse with my 18x8 @ 40PSI on summer tires as it was with my (gen1) stock 15x6's @ 29PSI (as recommended) on all seasons or winters. My 18s wheels are relatively lightweight at 22lbs.

What size exactly did you upgrade from and what did you upgrade to?
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