Hydrogen kits (HHO cells) REALLY WORK!! Over 50mpg in CITY!

[redgreen21]

Just to jump in here on this... if the amp draw load on an A/C compressor is about 12-15 amps and reduces gas mileage approx. 3mpg on a tank, and an HHO generator draws 15 amps and increases your mpg say by 10 (being very conservative here) - then it doesn't matter what kind of degree you may have or any other logic you can throw at this... it has proven results in fuel economy and I'm going to try to get some results myself (soon) so I can either dispel this as a myth/hype or embrace a newfound mileage maker.

You don't understand what is really happening. The fuel mileage used to get the Hydrogen gas will never be more then you can get back in efficiency. Ever. This is not logic, this is natural law that has never been proven wrong and many times over been proven correct. This HHO gas is pure bullshit and whatever money you spend is wasted. It does not, and will never have proven results.
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml Please read. He outlines the math involved and the bullshit as well.

1. as a power source, it's a scam - it cannot, ever, produce more energy burning in the engine than it takes to produce it by electrolysis of water. I have seen absolutely no scientific basis for the existence of "HHO gas", it's either hydrogen or it isn't.

Thanks panic! Finally someone with some sense. Please everyone educate yourself and DO NOT buy into this crap. You are just wasting money that could have been spent on real gas in the first place.

[panic]

Suspending the entire fiction "get something for nothing" part for a moment?

If the hydrogen produced any real power (enough to permit gas consumption to go down, since total power use is a function of aerodynamics), the alternator would have to produce more Kwh than the hydrogen contributed to the engine (conservation of energy law, bearing/pulley/belt friction, line loss, radiant heat, induction, blah).
So far, so good?
Let's use 5 hp as an example of a meaningful contribution (adding 1 hp with hydrogen would be undetectable and pointless).
5 hp is 3.73 Kwh or 3,730 watts. At about 14.2 volt output (more or less) taking power directly from the alternator (not regulated) that's 263 amps.
How long would your alternator last putting out 263 amps?
It can't, and it would melt trying.
No car has enough electrical capacity to run an electrolysis generator large enough to supply hydrogen fast enough to do anything useful.

[gnegroni]

Suspending the entire fiction "get something for nothing" part for a moment?

If the hydrogen produced any real power (enough to permit gas consumption to go down, since total power use is a function of aerodynamics), the alternator would have to produce more Kwh than the hydrogen contributed to the engine (conservation of energy law, bearing/pulley/belt friction, line loss, radiant heat, induction, blah).
So far, so good?
Let's use 5 hp as an example of a meaningful contribution (adding 1 hp with hydrogen would be undetectable and pointless).
5 hp is 3.73 Kwh or 3,730 watts. At about 14.2 volt output (more or less) taking power directly from the alternator (not regulated) that's 263 amps.
How long would your alternator last putting out 263 amps?
It can't, and it would melt trying.
No car has enough electrical capacity to run an electrolysis generator large enough to supply hydrogen fast enough to do anything useful.

I'm getting even more confused...
I know its late (telling that to myself)...
I know 1hp = 754W
Call me uneducated, but I can't see how it fits. I feel ts a direct answer with an indirect relationship between systems. Again, it might be the time of day (late late evening or too early a morning for me).
I don't think that the possible benefits of the using hydrogen are to be measured in hp.

Either way, I think kami and PXLs efforts are not in vain. If this turns out to be a scam or failed scientist dream, we just did a Myth Busters on SG.com.

BTW, I'd really like to have as much info as possible so...bring it on (the more the merrier)!

Sidenote... I worked for a scientist who was called to attention for experimenting with underwater communications unintentionally transmitting messages that reached of Australia, from Puerto Rico (almost 10k direct miles away)... too bad he died with the technology.

[Somedude]

^^Lol "failed scientist dream", give me a break.

here is a quote from Kami:

Regular gas: 306 miles to a tank
E85 gas: 314 miles to a tank
E85 gas + HHO: 341 miles to a tank
Reular gas + HHO: 426 miles to a tank

I get 420+ miles on a bad day, My Solara usually gets 500+ per tank with just regular gasoline in mostly city. How do you drive anyway kami? you get 306 miles to a tank with a four cylinder?



And you do know that the Solara has a 18.5 gallon gas tank right?


Stop trying to drag fellow SG members into that garbage, I hate scammers, so don't be one.

[panic]

"possible benefits of the using hydrogen are to be measured in hp"

If it's not replacing some gasoline, and providing hp - what it it doing?
You're struggling to extend the benefit of the doubt to something that simply doesn't exist.

[gnegroni]

^^Lol "failed scientist dream", give me a break.

here is a quote from Kami:

Regular gas: 306 miles to a tank
E85 gas: 314 miles to a tank
E85 gas + HHO: 341 miles to a tank
Reular gas + HHO: 426 miles to a tank

I get 420+ miles on a bad day, My Solara usually gets 500+ per tank with just regular gasoline in mostly city. How do you drive anyway kami? you get 306 miles to a tank with a four cylinder?

And you do know that the Solara has a 18.5 gallon gas tank right?

Stop trying to drag fellow SG members into that garbage, I hate scammers, so don't be one.

Think this is getting out-of-hand.

Kami is not shoving the HHO concept down ANYBODY's throat... Definitely not yours or anybody elses.

Kami is the one working on this project, putting his money, his time and his work. Not yours.

Kami created that post. The choice of reading it and get into it was your decision, please treat thread and people withing it with respect. Please remember that we are all here to help and share our experiences.

Although I may not know Kami, in any way, I do not believe he is scamming anyone or has the intention to. Like I said before, even if this turns out to be a TOTAL FAIL, he gave the Solaraguy community more than you are providing us by attacking or calling him a scammer.

Controlled experimentation: While I am a bit skeptic of kami's MPG measurements, he also mentioned on the first page 310 out of a 15gal tankful (go ask him). Your 500 miles out of a tank sounds to me as far fetched as 314 for city driving. Using 18.5 tank in calculations in calculations is also off either way. Remember, while the Solara has a 4-cyl is not definitely an econocar.

As for the failed scientist comment, its really sad he died; those who knew him know so. Coming from a person who worked in CISCO since the early beginnings and with Steve Jobs, there was a great workings that never made it. At least I was glad to be a part of the company, even if only for a while.

"possible benefits of the using hydrogen are to be measured in hp"
If it's not replacing some gasoline, and providing hp - what it it doing?
You're struggling to extend the benefit of the doubt to something that simply doesn't exist.

Your changing the meaning of my message; please quote accordingly. Don't take me wrong, I'm even more interested in the topic now due to your inputs...I'm looking for an answer (same as others), beyond the text book universal law coverage.

[Somedude]

Is it hard to believe that I can get 27+ mpg from my ride?

We are not talking about contributions here, I don't care how much he spent, you guys still haven't convinced me that the damn thing works. No I am not going to spend near 300 bucks to buy something that may or may not work.

I mostly refuel my car when the needle is a little below the mid line. A research was done by myself on mpg of my Solara, I recorded all the average mpg for about a year and the average mpg out of all those readings was 27-28mpg.

I am not disrespecting people, just sharing my thoughts, at least I am honest.

[panic]

I'm not suggesting that any of the "pro" posts here are motivated by personal interest or profit, i.e., dishonest.
I think, rather, that it's fairly common to simply believe something because you want to - which interferes with objective analysis.

[gnegroni]

I'm not suggesting that any of the "pro" posts here are motivated by personal interest or profit, i.e., dishonest.
I think, rather, that it's fairly common to simply believe something because you want to - which interferes with objective analysis.

We definitely have to agree in being as objective as possible

[alan8888]

if anyone willing to buy it...plz buy through my clickbank account thank you
hahahahaha

[Solara08861]

^^Lol "failed scientist dream", give me a break.

here is a quote from Kami:

Regular gas: 306 miles to a tank
E85 gas: 314 miles to a tank
E85 gas + HHO: 341 miles to a tank
Reular gas + HHO: 426 miles to a tank

I get 420+ miles on a bad day, My Solara usually gets 500+ per tank with just regular gasoline in mostly city. How do you drive anyway kami? you get 306 miles to a tank with a four cylinder?



And you do know that the Solara has a 18.5 gallon gas tank right?


Stop trying to drag fellow SG members into that garbage, I hate scammers, so don't be one.

Dude tell me your secret to get 500 miles a tank on city driving. I put 70 miles a day all highway on cruise control at 65 and all I get is around 400 - 415. I have the 4 cyl.
I smell bs

[Sebas007]

Mythbuster guys tried it. They were able to run the car with hydrgeon directly sprayed in the carburator of their old test car. However, regarding the electric setup creating the precious gas, it wasn't powerful enough to generate enough gas to make it run. Like all great hoax it stands on a strong base but some variable are forgotten are misinterpreted. I talk after seeing the mythbusters tests...they can be wrong but I'm more convince it won't work because of the gas producing rate is too low.

[gnegroni]

Dude tell me your secret to get 500 miles a tank on city driving. I put 70 miles a day all highway on cruise control at 65 and all I get is around 400 - 415. I have the 4 cyl.
I smell bs

Not saying anything regarding his mileage, but as far as yours, you are getting too low a mileage for highway. I got ~540 miles out of my Gen2 with 25% traffic, speedy hill climbing, speed bursts and 70+ highway driving.

Mythbuster guys tried it. They were able to run the car with hydrgeon directly sprayed in the carburator of their old test car. However, regarding the electric setup creating the precious gas, it wasn't powerful enough to generate enough gas to make it run. Like all great hoax it stands on a strong base but some variable are forgotten are misinterpreted. I talk after seeing the mythbusters tests...they can be wrong but I'm more convince it won't work because of the gas producing rate is too low.

Word goes they missed the electrolyte portion of the experiment, or they tried to prove that u can't run on water directly.

[Somedude]

Dude tell me your secret to get 500 miles a tank on city driving. I put 70 miles a day all highway on cruise control at 65 and all I get is around 400 - 415. I have the 4 cyl.
I smell bs

How many gallons of gas did you put in when you travelled 400-415 miles on the car?

I once drove 300 miles with half a tank of gas with mostly highway.

The best mpg I ever gotten in the city were 34mpg, I don't know how you can't. I was surprised too, but the math told me so (dividing the number of miles travelled by the amount of gas in gallons).

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Now you are attacking me because I stomped this HHO theory bullcrap to the ground and spit on it. I won the argument and you don't like it. byahhh

[Down2TheC]

Guys, this isn't an argument. It's a a/m upgrade thread now. Treat it as such. If you have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE feel free to share it. If you have questions for Kami that's fine too. Any further ragging about the principle or it's viability... post in general.