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Building up the I4

Postby CamryOnBronze » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:39 pm

^ the celica all trac had the 3sgte, as well as the MR2 I believe... I think when the ripp supercharger kit was out it put down about 190 whp on the gen 3 camry with a manual... That was my original plan for my camry but ended up with the solara. People used to tell me to do the v6 swap all of the time but I hated the thought of a v6 instead of making my 5sfe fast... until I owned one, changed me completely.

How much are you looking to spend and what are your power goals? That will help with the decision a lot.
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Postby i20solara02i » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:11 pm

for the 3sgte swap you would either get it from the celica awd or the caldina that was also awd but only made in japan.

here are the power rating for the celica
1994-99 260ps@6500RPM (non-US only)
1990-93 200HP@6000RPM
1988-89 190HP@6000RPM

compression ration: 8.5:1 (all but 90-93 which were 8.8:1)

here really good info on the caldina take from http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22227

This engine is similar to other generations of 3sgte. Here are the main differences :

-the turbo is a CT20b (as on ST205 3sgte)
-the turbo and the exhaust manifold are casted togheter (its impossible to remove only the turbo)
-this exhaust manifold will not fit any other 3sgte head because it doesnt use the same bolts pattern (7 bolts)
-the turbo exhaust housing does’nt use the same bolt pattern (so the downpipe is different)
-the intercooler is air to air
-the injectors are 540cc/min
-the ignition is different : no distributor. There is one coil/spark plug. This system is more known as COP ignition (coil-on-plug). The ECU control the ignition timing using two Variable Relocutor sensors. One is triggering a toothed wheel at the crankshaft pulley, the other is triggering a little arm at the end of the intake camshaft.
-The intake manifold is side-feed manifold.
-The oil pump is different because it has to locate one VR sensor.
-The head is slightly different because the exhaust ports are bigger (look at the drawing)
-There’s no EGR or TVIS system because its a JDM engine. (more pollution but… does’nt matter )


Here’s the specs of the ST215 engine and the one of the ST165, ST185 and ST205 :

YEAR COMP DISPL. POWER TORQUE CAR
1986-1989 8.5:1 1998cc 182hp@6000rpm 185lb-ft@3600rpm ST165
1990-1993 8.8:1 1998cc 220hp@6000rpm 225lb-ft@3200rpm ST185
1994-1999 8.5:1 1998cc 241hp@6000rpm 225lb-ft@3400rpm ST205
1997-2002 9.0:1 1998cc 255hp@6200rpm 240lb-ft@4400rpm ST215

FAQ :

1-Does it will fit my tranny?
Answer : This is an « S » engine so, any tranny that come off this engine family will bolt-on as 5sfe, 3sgte, 3sge, 1mzfe and 3mzfe too.

2- Does it use the same engine mounts?
Answer : Yes, it does because its again an « S » engine.

3- Can I fit an other 3sgte ECU to run it?
Answer : No because the stock ECU is needed to control the ignition.

4- Does this swap has been done?
Answer : Yes, it has been done. There are maybe 10 of them. There’s one in Russia, Toysport have done one, Dr Tweak has done one in a 6th gen Celica, two or three more on ST185s in USA. There’s one done here in Quebec but I have never seen him. And I’m currently doing mine.

5- Does this swap cost a lot more than other 3sgte?
Answer : I’ll say a little more but you will have a better block, a newer engine, the ignition is better, you will get a CT20b turbo (really better than CT26), you will get more stock boost (14psi stock).

6- Does the parts are hard to find in America?
Answer : A little more, but now, with internet, you can found everything you want. That’s how I replace my broken PCV valve, I met a guy from UK on the net and I told him if he was able to get me the PCV valve, he said yes and he send me the part after receiving the money.


TIP : If you want to swap a ST215 in your car, be sure to get a front clip or be sure to have the whole wire harness and the right ECU. You will need to add maybe 2-3 feet of wire for the wire harness because the engine came off a right hand drive car. If you can, get the manual ECU, it will be easier to swap.
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Postby (K) » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:03 pm

He's just trying to merge and keep up with freeway speeds lol. All of that time and money for the 3SGTE isn't that necessary for his purpose.

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Intake
Full Exhaust
Lightweight Clutch & Flywheel combo
Lose some weight off of the car
and maybe install some lighter pulleys to top it off and call it a day, plus no turbo lag and none of the excess weight (iron block 3SGTE isn't light).

If anything you might not be looking for "more power" as opposed to "less time" needed to merge onto the highway.

I tend to stray from engines swaps unless they're DIRT cheap. Not unless you plan on keeping the car for a while and really intend to do something nuts with it. Besides, using 87 octane saves money over 91/93 USUALLY required for the turbo engine(s).

Where I work I'm CONSTANTLY merging onto freeway speeds with no on-ramp, it's just straight from a street onto a a 3 lane freeway. Even then it's not too bad. But then again...I'm 2az with a manual and always driving with a half tank of gas...
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Postby Turbosolara » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:41 pm

you will need to prepare at least $5000 to have a proper tuned turbo kit. power cost money. sure some people have $3000 turbo kit, but when you try to take short cut, you are also risking it

if you have automatic, maybe you should just forget about it. just save up the money and buy a real rice rocket with engine swap (civic, integra, 240sx, DSM...etc)
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Postby i20solara02i » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:40 am

^ agreed it does take money to play. but if you like something different. this would be totally something different n unique. if you want something with more power don't bother with the 5s motor
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