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Stock talk about the Generation 2 and 2.5 Toyota Solara which was released in 2004-2007

what grade do you use?

87
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50%
89
16
27%
93
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23%
 
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What grade gas do you run

Postby junest » Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:40 pm

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Postby GReddySetGO » Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:04 pm

Mole wrote:wont higher grade gas prevent knock/ping better than lower grade?


GReddySetGO wrote:Octane is used to measure 1 thing and 1 thing only, the fuel ability to resist pre-ignition.


Pre-ignition is when the tempatures in the combustion chamger are too hot that the mixture detonates before the piston has reached its proper stroke. This is also known at detonation/pinging/knocking/etc. I highly doubt any of you guys are experiencing this bad enough to damage your pistons, unless you are running some type of forced induction.

If your owners manual suggests using 87, then use 87. Filling 91 on a car that needs 87 will not give you performance or gas mileage. And yes, it is common to actually lose gas mileage using a higher octane than necessary. So not only is the gas you're buying costing you more, but you're also not getting as far with it. Plus no performance gains, that results in a big waste of money.
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Actually...

Postby mmcdonald » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:41 am

The Octane rating is used for one thing, and one thing only: to measure the percentage of octane to heptane, or the ability of the gasoline mixture to mimic a similar octane/heptane ratio.

It just so happens that those ratios of octane to heptane have a generally accepted ability to resist spontaneous combustion at a given compression ratio.

This does not take into account the ambient air tempreature, the load on the engine, and the heat already generated by the motor from previous pre-ignition (ping/knock/detonation/spontaneous combustion).

The Solara motor (V6 in my case) does have a knock sensor that compensates for having to use (against the manufacturer's recommendation) sub-premium fuel. This is not recommended because of the following:

As to the assertion that higher octane results in lower gas mileage (probably because you use the 100 to drive faster, which results in lower gas mileage - not the octane rating but your lead foot), and that increasing octane ratios does not result in higher mileage OR better performance, the purpose of high octane fuels is that they enable high compression ratios to be used. Higher compression ratios give increased power output and improved economy (assuming the same engine displacement and other aspects). The octane number requirements for a given compression ratio vary widely, but typically a compression ratio of 7.5:1 requires 85 octane fuel, while a compression ratio of 10.0:1 requires 100 octane fuel. The V6 has a 10.6:1 compression ratio, so the knock sensor is already working overtime.

Raising the octane level of your fuel will primarily help prevent knock. If your engine is not currently knocking, you won't see any significant advantages of using higher octane fuel. On the other hand, if the engine is designed from the beginning for higher octane fuel (and ours are!), it will have considerable advantages in power and economy. Since the knock sensor retards timing to prevent spark until after TDC, you are losing a percentage of the power stroke to retarded timing with lower octane ratios, and thus losing the full power stroke per cylinder of fuel burned. Since you are not getting full power, you therefore have to use a greater quantity of gasoline to go the same distance. Again, since you are losing a part of your power stroke to retarded timing, you are losing the engine's ability to completely burn the fuel, so you lose power and mileage again.

Over time, you also clog up the exhaust channels with partially burned fuel (from the cylinder head up to the catalytic converter, which has to work overtime). This clogging constricts the exhaust channels and will then result in lower power and inefficient fuel burn.

Lemme ask you: Why do race drivers use higher octane mixtures if there is no power advantage?

Compression, which we got, requires higher octane fuel, or you end up being retarded! :D
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ooooooo i get it

Postby obegong » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:23 pm

excellent, informative post! 8) way to go man lol
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Anyway...

Postby mmcdonald » Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:04 am

I am not voting since I use 93 octane (exclusively since day one), and that is not one of your choices.

Incidentally, my gas mileage is about 30 - 32 highway (mostly 75-80 mph around here) and about 25 city. If I get going steady, depending on what I am hauling, it will hover around 34 mpg highway at 75-80. With three people and luggage I did Washington, D.C. to Wilmington, NC at 30.5 mpg. And that was route 95 and 40, about 75 mph sustained.
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Postby mik00725 » Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:23 pm

I agree with mmcdonald comments; but let me give my 2 cents. Octane ratings in labortories, and the octane rating that you see in the pump are not "quite" the same. The octane rating at the gas pump is the minimum rated octane that should be delivered at the pump.Which means that if the pump sells for 89 octane, the minimum rated octane dispensed would be 89 octane, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a higher rated octane gas dispensed. Sometimes at the gas station the price for premium gas is so high that the owner must mix premium with regular in order to at least have an edge with the volumes sold (some disrepectful make it the other way around). For anyone to feel a real change in the performance of a daily driven car (not a race car) the difference in octane should be at least from 89 to 97 maybe 100 octane. You will feel a better performance if you keep you tires inflated to the right pressure, windows up to prevent drag, and minimize the stop and go or speed changes.


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Postby truebluestang » Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:34 pm

most of my driving is highway. 36,500 miles as of today. My gas mileage has plumeted from 27 all the way down to 25. The only thing different I'm doing is using 87 octane instead of BP's 93. I think I'll start running the 93 and see what happens then.
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Actually...

Postby mmcdonald » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:02 am

The rating at the pump can be for the actual ratio of octane to heptane, but it can also be a measurement of the fuel mixtures' ability to mimic the detonation suppression of that octane to heptane ratio.

So 89 gas may not have 89% octane, but it will have additional chemicals that will allow the mixture it does have to suppress detonation as good as an 89 mixture otherwise would.
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Postby NABBUN SECHKIE » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:55 am

Well this should explain it better, http://www.leeric.lsu.edu/bgbb/7/ecep/trans/b/b.htm.
There IS a difference between the octane levels regarding mpg.
I know this because when I used to use 87 octane, I recorded 28- mpG at 80 mpH. Now I've been using 91/93 and I get 30+ mpG at 80 mpH.
The V6 3MZ-FE engine's compression ratios is 10.8 - 1.
I think I'll stick to the super at exxon with my speedpass.
I'd love to try v power but, no shell card.
I also did notice the range gauge increase up to the current 360 miles on a full tank thanks to my 21.3 avg mpG and 22+ avg mpH
I have an '04 Solara that I started driving since November of '04 and have put on 20,000+ miles on it.
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Postby joebxr » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:39 am

EPA mileage ratings posted by Toyota on 06 Solara SPECIFICALLY state that they were done using 89 Octane. I started with 87 and have switched to 89, and DO SEE IMPROVEMENT in mileage...enough per tank to override the $0.095/gal diff in cost
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Postby gone » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:14 am

i used 87 and only get 300 miles on a full tank and average 22.3 mpg which SUX and i have a 4 cyl 06' with 2500 miles on the car now, i feel like i should b getting more or am i wrong
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Postby solaris » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:40 am

06toyo chick wrote:i used 87 and only get 300 miles on a full tank and average 22.3 mpg which SUX and i have a 4 cyl 06' with 2500 miles on the car now, i feel like i should b getting more or am i wrong


you think 22.3 mpg sux? i drive in queens and i dont get above 18 mpg. i've used 87, 89, 93 and always end up filling the tank after only 220 miles. :( :lol: :(
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Postby theprodigy79 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:08 am

I use 93 octane... there are so many threads with this discussion it ain't even funny...

Just use the fuel that your car recommends (or in some cases requires) for you to use and you'll be fine... If your car pings at that octane rating, step it up one... My car manual says to use 92 octane, so I use 93...
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Postby gone » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:29 am

[/quote]you think 22.3 mpg sux? i drive in queens and i dont get above 18 mpg. i've used 87, 89, 93 and always end up filling the tank after only 220 miles. :( :lol: :([/quote]

queenz.long island.nyc. its all stop and go and too much traffic thats probably why its so low. i thought the average was 27 mpg , i used to get 21pmg all the time and it would piss me off now im getting 22
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Postby NeFaRiOuS_SLE » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:26 pm

*Shudders* Hope you don't get flamed for digging up the dead on an old post. Good luck.

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