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As good as the TRD muffler?

Postby PhreakdOut » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:16 pm

I hear that ALL the time! :wink:
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Postby theprodigy79 » Mon May 23, 2005 8:26 am

Hey Phreak,

Quick question: How many variants of the TRD Sport Muffler exist for the Gen 2 Solara? Mine looks pretty different from yours, and I have seen one other that looks different from both of ours... All three that I have seen are actual TRD branded equipment (not rips).

Sorry for the crappy pix, but you should catch the drift. Mine is also branded TRD on the sides, not the top.

Thanks for any info,

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Postby theprodigy79 » Mon May 23, 2005 8:27 am

Hmm, image links didn't work... Cut and paste does though... Sorry about that.

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Postby sgunitkc » Mon May 23, 2005 3:09 pm

my TRD muffler doens't look like that....it's rather a perfect circle...not an oval..and it has the TRD logo on the sides not on the top...ill post some pics once i get my camera to work :oops:
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Postby theprodigy79 » Mon May 23, 2005 10:57 pm

sgunitkc, I believe we have the same version. The pics I have posted are from Car Domain site and they really suck, I'll try to get some close ups posted as well. My tip is round, I believe 4" diameter but it kinda cones in a tad. TRD is stamped on both sides. Sound familiar?
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Postby sgunitkc » Mon May 23, 2005 11:31 pm

yup sounds about right.
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Postby dvdchris45 » Tue May 24, 2005 1:31 pm

The TRD muffler sure looks tempting. It beats the "muffler within a muffler" design of the OEM muffler.
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Postby theprodigy79 » Tue May 24, 2005 1:45 pm

Can't go wrong with it bro... Looks beautiful, all stainless (not polished chrome plated BS that rusts and falls off after a couple years), weighs literally a bit over a third of the factory muffler (that thing is HUGE!!) , straight pass-through design (breathes very easily), and sounds pretty tight (not too loud, nice deep purr). The factory muffler design is a bit odd... not really necessary if you ask me. They could have efficiently muted the exhaust using a lot smaller and more breathable design from the start... prolly a lot cheaper too... go figure...

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Postby PhreakdOut » Tue May 24, 2005 3:04 pm

theprodigy79 wrote:Can't go wrong with it bro... Looks beautiful, all stainless (not polished chrome plated BS that rusts and falls off after a couple years), weighs literally a bit over a third of the factory muffler (that thing is HUGE!!) , straight pass-through design (breathes very easily), and sounds pretty tight (not too loud, nice deep purr). The factory muffler design is a bit odd... not really necessary if you ask me. They could have efficiently muted the exhaust using a lot smaller and more breathable design from the start... prolly a lot cheaper too... go figure...

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Back to the subjects:
1) Differences in the TRD Mufflers
2) The OE "Muffler in a muffler."

1) Differences in the TRD Mufflers
I haven't personally seen any TRD authorized round mufflers before. If this is TRD product, it may be an early version. If you just received it, I would personally return it and ask them to try and get the oval version.

Honestly, this is just asthethics. The oval TRD muffler has a straight through tube which is bent in two places to go from the offset inlet to the center position outlet. Yes the two bends have a slight positive effect on acoustics versus a straight through (no bends) design. The results may be too slight to notice by ear. IMO, the oval just looks better. The round looks like a "buzz box" put on by a muffler shop.

Before I get flamed for being wrong, there are differences in muffler chamber volume when comparing oval and round. The more volume, the better for acoustics. In this case, the oval will have more volume. However, in the case of these two mufflers, they both should have the perforated innerpipe wrapped in stainless steel wool. (AISI430 or AISI304 depending on the innerpipe material.)

(One comment on the chrome plating) May years ago, chrome plating was pretty popular. Nowadays, with the availability of good 304 stainless steel and many "low cost countries" willing to provide inexpensive labor for polishing, chrome has gone the way of the dodo bird. (Notice, cars of today have very little chrome anymore.) Chroming in the US is a pain with the EPA restrictions in place to prevent the release of carcinogenics (sp?) into the air.

To put it short (too late); if you get a polished muffler, I'm 99.9% sure it's made from 300 series stainless steel that is hand polished in Taiwan or China. (Before you react, I'd put Taiwan's polish quality up against anyone else in the world. I've personally delt with suppliers there and have seen their quality improve greatly in the past 5-10 years.)

2) The OE "Muffler in a muffler."
The OE Muffler design is pretty good at doing its job. It's VERY difficult to balance backpressure and sound pressure levels. Here's a few snap shots of the OE muffler and a drawing of the internals. (I've got a photo of the internals cut open, but not with me today.

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There's no doubt that there are cheaper ways to make this part. However, Toyota is pretty strict on the acoustic quality. If they were not, your Solara might sound like a Hyundai. (Yuck!)
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Postby PhreakdOut » Tue May 24, 2005 3:15 pm

theprodigy79 wrote:Hey Phreak,

Quick question: How many variants of the TRD Sport Muffler exist for the Gen 2 Solara? Mine looks pretty different from yours, and I have seen one other that looks different from both of ours... All three that I have seen are actual TRD branded equipment (not rips).

Sorry for the crappy pix, but you should catch the drift. Mine is also branded TRD on the sides, not the top.

Thanks for any info,

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I followed the links to your pics. I can't tell if the muffler body is different. Yes, the TRD muffler is a smaller oval than the OE, but it's not a round shape.

I have a meeting setup in LA two weeks from now to meet with the buyer for TRD exhaust. I'll ask him about it. I believe some early versions of the TRD mufflers had the logo laser etched on the sides of the tip versus an emboss into the top. I'd like to know which one yours might be.

Try to take a close up of the tip and I'll bring it up to the TMS buyer.
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Postby theprodigy79 » Tue May 24, 2005 4:23 pm

Cool beans Phreakd, I'll get you a pic before then. I believe the muffler itself may be the same as yours, however the tip is, indeed, different. Mine is definately TRD equipment, but you are correct to state that it is "first generation" as I picked it up shortly after it was released. It sounds great (not a "buzz box" at all) and looks good too. I believe I have seen a third design as well (rounded tip, straight drop, where as mine is a rounded tip, sloped drop... in other words the tip on mine resembles =<_ / while on the other it's more of a =<_| , be imaginative, that's supposed to be a side view of the tips...) As far as stainless Vs. chrome plated goes... I had a Vibrant muffler on my Celica... stainless tip, chrome plated steel body... Awesome muffler when it was new, but it rusted out... My point on mentioning the chrome plated steel mufflers was the fact that the muffler that sparked this thread is a pretty cheap one, and doubtfully is full stainless (maybe stainless tip, but I highly doubt the body is)... Actually I just found a link that has a pic of my tip and a small description... see below:

http://www.trdsource.com/printable.php?parts_id=277

Small pic, just the tip, but I'll get you an actual pic of mine when I get the chance; and I'll also keep an eye out for the other. Thanks much.

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Postby theprodigy79 » Tue May 24, 2005 4:42 pm

K, regarding the chrome plated steel comment, I'm stupid... I didn't read the full description of the muffler and see the "T-304 (FULL stainless..." in the auction. My bad for that :oops: . Here's a generic pic of the third version... kinda small, but this is a the same flat edge tip I've seen on a couple Gen2 Solaras (can't guarantee it's a pic of an actual Gen2 TRD Solara muffler though, as the site uses the same pic for several cars...):

http://store1.yimg.com/I/brandsportinc_1843_58514921

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Postby sgunitkc » Tue May 24, 2005 7:19 pm

alright here's my TRD muffler.


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Here is my TRD muffler

Postby mikei » Wed May 25, 2005 6:55 pm

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This muffler is the real thing ordered and installed at an authourized

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Postby theprodigy79 » Thu May 26, 2005 10:56 am

Sweet, thanks guys. I third that muffler (those are the same as mine). Does anyone have the third model I have mentioned (with the straight tip)?
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