Dogbone bushings - urethane

by **Paladin06Greg** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:36 pm

UPDATE FROM GLENN REFERENCE BUSHINGS!!

Hi Greg,

I apologize for the wrong size SuperPro parts. I am copying your information to the factory and will wait for their response. Your car was a 2000 Solara and Joe’s is a 99 Toyota Camry/Solara w/1MZ-FE V6 (made in Canada) . We will wait for their response.

In the mean time, you may return the kit to us with all the parts and we will issue credit to you upon return. Sorry for the inconvenience. We will work with SuperPro to get this corrected. Thanks.

by **JoeB** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:41 pm

I wanted to also offer a comparisson between Energy Suspension's bushings vs. Superpro's. To the touch, Energy Suspension's bushings feel softer and more pliable. Looking at them, Energy Suspension's polyurethane pour looks more consistant (better quality), I'm not an expert, just my opinion. Energy Suspension offers bushings in red or black. I think Superpro offers other colors but the lead time is significant if you want other than blue. I really liked the way Energy Suspension's bushings came in 2 parts (see earlier post with pics this thread) to make install easier rather than having to press them in like with Superpro's. Notice the size of the metal sleeve in the Superpro bush is much larger, it was the same size metal sleeve for even the smaller bush which means even less give. To make up for the harder urethane and larger sleeve making it more stiff, Superpro cut 2 slots in the larger bush only so that it had more give. Additionally, Energy Suspension included a large washer that can be used to support the larger bush. -JoeB reporting...

Energy Suspension =RED
Superpro =BLUE

by **Paladin06Greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:36 am

Info provided to me by BG of Anythingtoyota.com

Big end of dogbone(on rh side, front of motor), OD of bushing is 1 15/16"

BG

2000 Solara

JoeB wrote:The Superpro bushings for the dogbone came in today as stated. They look nice but are the wrong size. The small bush is correct but the larger 1 is too small. When I got the bushings from Energy Suspension to do the beta test, he sent 3 sizes, not sure which would be correct. The one I didn't use is the same size as the larger one in the Superpro kit. The other thing is, they are 1 complete bush so they will need to be pressed into the dogbone unlike the Energy Suspension bushings which come in 2 halves. Additionally, they didn't come with a large washer to help support the large bush. When the bolt goes up against the metal collar in the center, it would be possible for the bush to slip outside the bolt. To prevent that, ES included a large washer to support the urethane part. Easily fixed though by simply picking up a very large washer. -JoeB

*EDIT* If you ordered these, please check to make sure they are the right size for your vehicle before pressing out the old rubber which will probably destroy it. It may be that these are for the Gen3 Camry and different than the Gen4 Camry and/or Gen1 Solara. If anyone can take measurements of the larger bushing and stat what the diameter is (inside the metal support) that would help everyone. Also state what vehicle you measured on. -JoeB

by **Paladin06Greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:42 am

FYI - From Glenn.

Hi Greg,

I apologize for the wrong size SuperPro parts. I am copying your information to the factory and will wait for their response. Your car was a 2000 Solara and Joe’s is a 99 Toyota Camry/Solara w/1MZ-FE V6 (made in Canada) . We will wait for their response.

In the mean time, you may return the kit to us with all the parts and we will issue credit to you upon return. Sorry for the inconvenience. We will work with SuperPro to get this corrected. Thanks.

Glenn Dirkse

Global Performance Parts

by **JoeB** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:13 am

Paladin06Greg wrote:Info provided to me by BG of Anythingtoyota.com

Big end of dogbone(on rh side, front of motor), OD of bushing is 1 15/16"

BG

2000 Solara

Greg, if you trust that information and yours is a 2000 Solara, don't return the bushings. The larger bush in the Superpro kit is that size. However at least in my car (1999 Solara), that is too small. Mine is closer to 2.75". -JoeB

by **Paladin06Greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:20 am

I'll ask BG to confirm 1999 and 2000 upper bushing outside diameter.

JoeB wrote:
Paladin06Greg wrote:Info provided to me by BG of Anythingtoyota.com

Big end of dogbone(on rh side, front of motor), OD of bushing is 1 15/16"

BG

2000 Solara

Greg, if you trust that information and yours is a 2000 Solara, don't return the bushings. The larger bush in the Superpro kit is that size. However at least in my car (1999 Solara), that is too small. Mine is closer to 2.75". -JoeB

by **Paladin06Greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:43 am

Well my Toyota friend indictates the auto tranny upper bushing is slightly larger then 2 1/2".

The other bushing is for the manual tranny. Anyone with a manual want to verify that?

by **Elfumador** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:43 am

I talked to Jeff at Energy suspension, asked about the mounts for our car , he said that their is really no demand and no one has really called him to ask for them. :-?

by **Paladin06Greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:52 am

You need to call Steve, the head of R&D at ES. His number is 949-361-3955. Let him know your are serious about wanting the bushings.

Elfumador wrote:I talked to Jeff at Energy suspension, asked about the mounts for our car , he said that their is really no demand and no one has really called him to ask for them.

by **Elfumador** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:29 pm

Number don't work :-?

by **CASTRO** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:45 pm

umm well i recieved my bushings today and I got questions before I get it installed. the part number I got is SPF1348K. I've got a 1MZ auto, will this bushing work for it? I am confused to the different fitments and such but would like to have a good answer on what you guys have found out so far. Let me know, im gonna go do an eyeball measurement in a few, but like JoeB said, it would really hurt to have the old mount pressed out and have these new bushings not fit...

EDIT:: DOH! eyeball measurements says that the large bushing is WAY too small. grrr, so guys, what and who did you have to talk to to get these guys sent back and the right part exchanged?

by **JoeB** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:10 am

John, unfortunately it's not good news right now. Call Global Performance and ask for the correct return procedure. The problem is, they don't even know the propper size yet or what the difference is as to which applications which size will fit. That's why I asked if people would help us out and take a measurement of the larger dogbone opening andd report back. Once they know what to make, Glenn at Global Performance says it will only take a month or so to get the correct size made. In the mean time, Energy Suspension already has the correct size but hasn't made it a product yet. We just need more people to call them and push them to release these - show interest. -JoeB

by **CASTRO** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:47 am

ah thanks JoeB, well I guess ill just go ahead and return these and keep trying for the Energy Suspension bushings. Just curious as to what procedure you guys went though to get these returned. I have sent an email but no response. I'll be calling later but just wanted to know if the procedure was a hassle at all.

Just a sham that the larger bushing was the one that was not compatible. On my car, that is the one which looks to need the replacement, the smaller bushing still looks good.

by **thatdamngood777** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:48 am

ummm...can anyone tell me exactly what the hell these are for? :-?

lol I know they don't have to do with dogs! What will they do for the car? What problems might happen if there put in...for whatever the hell there for? Thanks!

by **Paladin06Greg** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:53 am

They are an aftermarket bushing to replace the OEM bushing in your forward engine mount (dogbone). Pros include less movement in the engine when power is applied which translates to increased power to the wheels. Con is possible vibrations felt inside the car. This is highly unlikely.

thatdamngood777 wrote:ummm...can anyone tell me exactly what the hell these are for? lol I know they don't have to do with dogs! What will they do for the car? What problems might happen if there put in...for whatever the hell there for? Thanks!

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