Need advice : CAI extension for CP-e

[Down2TheC]

The ECU only knows what the sensors tell it. The MAF talks to the chip, the chip translates for the ECU to make it do what cp-e tells it to.

Dyno's are available on the web site, but I think the Sebas007 track times speak volumes.

[Sebas007]

I make low 15 and high 14
best time recorded twice was exactly 14.814

I would like to have other Gen 2 Coupe non ragtop track time to compare with.

[Down2TheC]

You mean one without NOS too? lol. So true, we've got lots of times for Tact with his boosted I4, MichaelT with his NOS, and we know my ragtop went from "slow as molasses" to just "slow" with the CP-e. Where's the OEM coupe times?

[[SMAN]]

I posted my timeslip about this time last year...

http://solaraguy.com/viewtopic.php?t=35240

[Down2TheC]

Cool...so .3-.5 bump in the quartermile. Thanks!

[Chinky420]

since there's no tuned length anymore, there's no reason to limit the air intake points to only 1 (except for the irritation of joining them before you get to the plenum) if it gives you more intake area and more X-section area.

if the intake air charge is too turbulent, then it may mess with the MAF values. depending on how far upstream the MAF sensor is (meaning, how close to the TB it is, and how far from the x-section), it could make the gains null.

and do you mean that you're making more intake points, but running it through the same throttle body? because if so, then i think there's an upper limit to the air volume that can be consumed.

either way, the car would probably have to be re-tuned with a SAFCii to prevent a CEL

and i believe it is ABS plastic that can be used to mold a air dam/tunnel

[Wraith]

The ECU only knows what the sensors tell it. The MAF talks to the chip, the chip translates for the ECU to make it do what cp-e tells it to.

Dyno's are available on the web site, but I think the Sebas007 track times speak volumes.

track times doesnt mean jack to me because it has no bearings... At the track theres soo many variables that can change from run to run ... I mean the factory times can be bettered by any good driver and a little weight savings.... I mean whats the track times on a 4dr echo ??? There in the 18's, I ran 15.6's and 15.8's in mine... Its was gutted, cai, TOM's lighten flywheel, Spec clutch, headers, full 2.5" exhaust, and cheapo ground controls...

Now if you knock say .5 second to a full second off quarter mile times then maybe... But the a dyno from an actual consumer ... someone thats not part of the manufacturer or say someone whos doesnt have any type of sponsoreship from said manufacturer ... do a dyno run and actually post dynos for before and after the mod then that I would believe over the manufacturers stated claims... Thats why they call it claims right ????

For example... I tuned my Power Enterprise Camcom/ Blitz Supercharged Echo on the dyno all day and at the end of the day I only got 135whp @ 7psi . I made a 128whp dyno run with a slipping belt.. stock with bolt ons( ie exhaust, cai, headers, s-afc) was only 100whp/ 105 ft torque... And at the end the factory ecu was cutting in and made the car buck everytime I smashed on the gas from a dead stop... Thats after the tuning I did...

As far as ecu ... Hey no matter what you say it still a piggy back, correct ??? Then why doesnt the E-Manage or a Super AFC or a camcom, work ??? So what your saying is this CPe company has something these BIG Japanese companies dont have ??? I've run a camcom, s-afc and tuned both on Toyotas newer ecu... And no matter what you did, after the initial run a few dyno runs later; all the add power from the tuning I just did would disappear and the Factory ecu would cater the maps back to close to stock...

But then again who am I to questions someone trying to sell me a freaking $500 usd intake...

[Sebas007]

The things is in Solara Gen 2 world : we don't have much, close to any, aftermarket support. So there is no so many performance combinaison to compare. I think good tire, spare tire out with no huge stereo setup will help. But what is the CP-e part in all this ? I guess at least 3/4 of the gains. The other 1/4 is reported to other variables like lightweight (even if I removed my spare...I'm weighting 280...the spare weigth around 50-60, so I'm equal with a 220-230 guy with the spare). Lighter wheel, better traction tire and best fit PSI are the other time influencing variables.

[gnegroni]

The ECU only knows what the sensors tell it. The MAF talks to the chip, the chip translates for the ECU to make it do what cp-e tells it to.

Dyno's are available on the web site, but I think the Sebas007 track times speak volumes.

track times doesnt mean jack to me because it has no bearings... At the track theres soo many variables that can change from run to run ... I mean the factory times can be bettered by any good driver and a little weight savings.... I mean whats the track times on a 4dr echo ??? There in the 18's, I ran 15.6's and 15.8's in mine... Its was gutted, cai, TOM's lighten flywheel, Spec clutch, headers, full 2.5" exhaust, and cheapo ground controls...

Now if you knock say .5 second to a full second off quarter mile times then maybe... But the a dyno from an actual consumer ... someone thats not part of the manufacturer or say someone whos doesnt have any type of sponsoreship from said manufacturer ... do a dyno run and actually post dynos for before and after the mod then that I would believe over the manufacturers stated claims... Thats why they call it claims right ????

For example... I tuned my Power Enterprise Camcom/ Blitz Supercharged Echo on the dyno all day and at the end of the day I only got 135whp @ 7psi . I made a 128whp dyno run with a slipping belt.. stock with bolt ons( ie exhaust, cai, headers, s-afc) was only 100whp/ 105 ft torque... And at the end the factory ecu was cutting in and made the car buck everytime I smashed on the gas from a dead stop... Thats after the tuning I did...

As far as ecu ... Hey no matter what you say it still a piggy back, correct ??? Then why doesnt the E-Manage or a Super AFC or a camcom, work ??? So what your saying is this CPe company has something these BIG Japanese companies dont have ??? I've run a camcom, s-afc and tuned both on Toyotas newer ecu... And no matter what you did, after the initial run a few dyno runs later; all the add power from the tuning I just did would disappear and the Factory ecu would cater the maps back to close to stock...

But then again who am I to questions someone trying to sell me a freaking $500 usd intake...

You could always gutt the Solara!

[Wraith]

The things is in Solara Gen 2 world : we don't have much, close to any, aftermarket support. So there is no so many performance combinaison to compare. I think good tire, spare tire out with no huge stereo setup will help. But what is the CP-e part in all this ? I guess at least 3/4 of the gains. The other 1/4 is reported to other variables like lightweight (even if I removed my spare...I'm weighting 280...the spare weigth around 50-60, so I'm equal with a 220-230 guy with the spare). Lighter wheel, better traction tire and best fit PSI are the other time influencing variables.

Sebas007;
I'm not questioning your rep or what you've done to your Solara... I aplaud you for your efforts... I'll give respect where respect is due. Your traveling the same path I've travelled countless of times. So I tip my hat to you bro.

My comments are directed solely to the manufacturer. Not at you or your efforts. I mean no harm or disrespect to you... Just question a manufacturer thats selling a $500 dollar intake system... There reason for that because I'm in the market for 3mz-fe performance parts because of my new project...

[gnegroni]

The things is in Solara Gen 2 world : we don't have much, close to any, aftermarket support. So there is no so many performance combinaison to compare. I think good tire, spare tire out with no huge stereo setup will help. But what is the CP-e part in all this ? I guess at least 3/4 of the gains. The other 1/4 is reported to other variables like lightweight (even if I removed my spare...I'm weighting 280...the spare weigth around 50-60, so I'm equal with a 220-230 guy with the spare). Lighter wheel, better traction tire and best fit PSI are the other time influencing variables.

Sebas007;
I'm not questioning your rep or what you've done to your Solara... I aplaud you for your efforts... I'll give respect where respect is due. Your traveling the same path I've travelled countless of times. So I tip my hat to you bro.

My comments are directed solely to the manufacturer. Not at you or your efforts. I mean no harm or disrespect to you... Just question a manufacturer thats selling a $500 dollar intake system... There reason for that because I'm in the market for 3mz-fe performance parts because of my new project...

That said, if your CP-e system is already out of warranty, why not directly ask them on the subject? Hell, maybe they will back you up if you arrive with a good design!

[Sebas007]

like said ealier...many times...

CP-e MAFci could equal Injen intake + SAFC II + dyno tune

480$ is cheaper than to design and tune your own intake system.

Math talks.