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All you could EVER want to know about tire sizes (then some)

All you could EVER want to know about tire sizes (then some)

Postby theprodigy79 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:38 am

*WARNING, THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS SIMPLE MATH... BEWARE*

Just to make everything clear for those who don't understand about the tire size ratings (I'm not pointing anyone out here, this is for anyone who is interested or doesn't understand... it's just a good knowledge to have)... I'll take a generic tire size (my own current tire)...

Let's use 225/45ZR18

225 is the tire width in mm. 45 is the side wall aspect ratio in %. Z is the tire rating (not always listed in that particular spot, but sometimes placed there). R represents if the tire is a Radial or not (steel mesh belts wrapped around the tire). 18 is the wheel size the tire will fit on in inches (good ol American contrast with mm and inches on the product)

To find the size of the side wall in mm, multiply the tire width by the side wall aspect ratio (as a decimal, so for 45% it would be .45)

In this case, the side walls are 101.25mm (225x.45)

If you are sticking with one rim size, that's pretty much all you need to know... HOWEVER, many of you are upgrading rim sizes (if you haven't already... So it gets just a tad more complicated (not much though).

Besides possible clearance issues, the only other issue with changing your tire diameter is throwing off your speedometer (which you can easily have recalibrated at a place such as Precision Tune or the like). There are generally no other detrimental effects of switching tire sizes (keep in mind, smaller diameter tires will increase your accelleration and drop your top end speed, while larger diameters will lower your accelleration and increase your top end speed).

If you don't want to mess with recalibrating your speedometer, however, you need to keep your tire diameter within around 3% of it's original size (just a rule of thumb)... How do we figure out the overall diameter of the tire?

Let's go back to our 225/45R18s, shall we?

Okay, so we already determined the side walls are 101.25mm... We now need to include the overall diameter of the rim... But Americans are pretty stupid, and the rim is in INCHES!!! What now?!? Simple... One inch is equal to 25.4mm. So lets find this diameter! Also, we must remember that we have TWO side walls across one axis!!! Our general formula is as follows:

Tire width (mm) = W, Side wall aspect ratio (decimal) = S, Rim size (inches) = R

W x S x 2 + R x 25.4 = Overall Diameter (D)

To clean that up a bit (yay, algebra!):

2(W x S) + 25.4(R) = D

So our setup for this tire is:

2(225 x .45) + 25.4(18 ) = ???

Now, if you remember simple 4th grade mathematics, you will remember that multiplication comes before addition (unless brackets are involved!) So our OVERALL tire diameter here would be:

659.7mm TA DA!

18" turns out to be 457.2mm, so you add that to 2 of our 101.25mm side walls (202.5mm total) and BAM! (Emeril)

So you have 17" rims and you wanna upgrade to 18"??

My Solara Gen2 came with 17" wrapped with 215/55VR17s... I wanted to upgrade to 18"s... How?

Okay, I want to find the overall diameter of the factory tires:

(215 x 55%)(2) + 17"x25.4mm = 118.25mm x 2 + 431.8mm = 668.3mm

So we need to find a tire within around 3% of 668.3mm (I prefer somewhere in the 1%s, but that's just me)... So we can have + or - 20.05mm... meaning anywhere in the range of 648.25mm to 688.35mm and we'll be fine (no speedometer recalibrations here!)

Okay, now that we have that understanding... a simple way to remember it is, for every inch you add on a rim, you want to subtract 12.7mm (one half inch) from the side wall (and vice versa for going with 1" smaller rims). That way you don't have to keep on calculating overall diameter...

In my case (and all of you as well who have factory speedo calibrations), stepping up to 18" rims from 215/55R17s...

We determined above that these tires have an overall diameter of 668.3mm...

We can safely use anywhere in the range of 648.25mm to 688.35mm


For a 16" rim:

195/65R16 = 659.9mm = 1.3% difference
205/65R16 = 672.9mm = .7% difference
215/60R16 = 664.4mm = .6% difference
215/65R16 = 685.9mm = 2.6% difference
225/60R16 = 676.4mm = 1.2% difference
225/55R16 = 653.9mm = 2.2% difference

For a 17" rim:

205/55R17 = 657.3mm = 1.6% difference
205/60R17 = 677.8mm = 1.4% difference
215/55R17 = 668.3mm = exact match
225/50R17 = 656.8mm = 1.7% difference
225/55R17 = 679.3mm = 1.6% difference
235/50R17 = 666.8mm = .2% difference
245/50R17 = 676.8mm = 1.3% difference
245/45R17 = 652.3mm = 2.4% difference

For an 18" rim:

225/45R18 = 659.7mm = 1.3% difference
225/50R18 = 682.2mm = 2.1% difference

235/40R18 = 645.2mm = 3.5% difference (not within our 3% range, but many dealers will say it's fine... and in the big scheme of things, it probably is) (watch clearance)

235/45R18 = 668.7mm = .06% difference (not common high performance tire size) (watch clearance)
245/40R18 = 653.2mm = 2.3% difference (watch clearance)
245/45R18 = 677.7mm = 1.4% difference (watch clearance)

255/40R18 = 661.2mm = < 1.1% difference (*WARNING* This fits our car, but does NOT clear the fenders... If you are dropped, or you often have people in your car or drive on bumpy roads, I DO NOT ADVISE GETTING THIS TIRE!)


For 19" rims:

225/40R19 = 662.6mm = .9% difference
225/45R19 = 685.1mm = 2.5% difference
235/40R19 = 670.6mm = .3% difference (watch clearance)
245/35R19 = 654.1mm = 2.1% difference (watch clearance)
245/40R19 = 678.6mm = 1.5% difference (watch clearance)

For 20" rims:

225/35R20 = 665.5mm = .4% difference
225/40R20 = 688.0mm = 2.9% difference
235/30R20 = 649mm = 2.9% difference (watch clearance)
235/35R20 = 672.5mm = .6% difference (watch clearance)
245/30R20 = 655mm = 2% difference (watch clearance)
245/35R20 = 679.5mm = 1.7% difference (watch clearance)

For all practical reasoning, I'm not going to go above 20" rims for our dear Solara...

Keep in mind, if the overall diameter is larger than factory, your speedometer will be slow (you will actually be exceeding the speed your speedometer shows). If the overall diameter is smaller than factory, your speedometer will be fast (you will be traveling slower than your speedometer reads).

Also keep in mind... Your speedometer is NOT 100% accurate (no matter how new your car is). There is always an undefined margin of error.


Anyways, I hope I've been of some help!

-James
Last edited by theprodigy79 on Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:07 pm, edited 9 times in total.
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Postby Sap Z » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:31 am

dude !!!

tht was awesome man ! its about time someone did that. Thanks a lot man.

Great to have people like you here who take the time n effort to make things easier for others.
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Postby theprodigy79 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:05 am

Good deal, glad you appreciate that. If just one person gets something out of all that, then I'm happy!

:-D

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Postby theprodigy79 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:27 am

Yup... well aware of that, however many people don't understand how to reach those conclusions, and therefor have no idea how to even approach the issue... I posted this to give everyone a foundation and understanding about how those tire calculators work instead of just second guessing and inputting every number in there till they see one that *may* work...

You can pop our factory tire size of 215/55R17 into those calculators and come out with a very nice tire diameter match on an extremely badass 335/30R18... Yeah... try shoving those extra 4" of tire width into our fender wells!
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Postby methyl mike » Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:37 pm

Wow that is really cool! THX
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Postby fotia » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:34 pm

How od you know what offset you can use? I just picked up a set of 18"x7.5" wheels with 48mm offset. I have no idea if they will fit.
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Postby Sebas007 » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:59 pm

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

I post it many times !

TRD wheels specs are 8" with +40 offset (Gen 2 : 2004-2006)

Enjoy

Answer, if you have a gen 2

Inner Clearance: 2mm LESS
Outer Position: RETRACT by 14mm

compare with 8" width with +40 offset.

It will fit...but will look weak based on the position of the wheels will be retracted by more than 0.5"

Read all the stuff in the Tech section of 1010tires.com...you will know a lot more about wheels...enough to feel confortable to purchase your wheels yourself at 100%
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