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which one are better for my 2gen? the black or red trd springs or are they the same thing?

i beleive its the same. Just different color. Some were manufactured a while ago and others where done recently. I have a set of gen2 eibach springs with low mileage on them if your interested let me know.

how much? im getting a pair or black trd for 50, can you beat that? im local

^50, thats a good deal. I probably cant beat that im selling mine for 80 i beleive the one's i have are a lower drop

i had the black one and they were saggy especially in the rear but that just my input. correct me if I'm wrong The black ones were the first versions that came out and the red were the updated ones.

yup you're right about that so i should go for the red ones?

i got the red ones. no sagging here.

damn, i just scored a set of black ones off ebay for 105$ shipped from an over stock dealer. By saggy, do you mean softer or lower to the ground?

dont get me wrong i guess i should have said i did buy mine used also, both versions are fine, i was just giving my 2 cent in on my setup

the red ones are lower in the rear, dealer told me the black ones made the gen2 even, meaning the same drop all around. the 2,5 was a tad higher in the rear, and the red trd springs compensated for the added 0.1-0.2 "
overall they both fit, I have the red ones without any problems. it looks a bit tucked with the 17s