Short ram and cold air intake

[kingkakyle]

i was wondering what the differences was between the two?
or are they the same
if they are different...wats the difference and wat does each one do
thanks

[Down2TheC]

Short ram just sucks air from the engine compartment. CAI gets air from outside the car (front or wheel well.) For some applications, the air inside gets very hot and is thus less efficient. Cold air will provide more HP in such situations. Not a huge boost but in some cars it's significant.

[LaraV604]

Do they MAKE both for our 04 Solara??? Which one is better for SE Sport model V6? Do they sound lound??

[dvdchris45]

Both cp-e and Injen make the intakes for the 04 Solara.
As far performance, price, and sound goes it would break down like this:

Performance: Cp-e. Proven gains. Everyone that has it (which is like 3 or 4 of the peeps vouches for it's performance) Comes in both tunable and non-tunable versions

Sound: I think thats a matter of opinion. The Injen you can hear with a TRD muffler on this forum (Phreakedout). Theres also a Cp-e intake clip w/o a Trd muffler lingering in the forums I believe which I'm guessing belongs to down2thec since he got the proto.

Price: The Injen costs more than HALF the price of the Cp-e intake. $200 vs. $470. The guys say its worth evert penny but hey, if you have that much to burn on an intake then by all means go for it.

Its up to you larav604....if you want just sound go for Injen..if you want performance go for Cp-e

[Down2TheC]

No CAI kits for the Gen2 yet. And if you search around this section you'll get a years worth of cp-e/Injen chatter.

Both add incredible sound when accelerating. cp-e is a bigger pipe so it's a deeper growl.

[theprodigy79]

Biggi_e has some clips of the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=23629

I also have a couple REALLY CRAPPY vids from my cell phone up...

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=24632

down2thec has a sound byte for the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php? ... =cpe+video

PhreakdOut used to have either a vid or sound byte for the Injen, but it appears to have been deleted for inactivity... I did a search and couldn't find any more vids / clips for the Gen 2 Injen (which is odd, cuz I believe more people have it than the CP-e). Oh well...

[Astro]

Yeah, Injen tried on a CAI, but had problems on where to route it. The only solution ended up behind the radiator, which only made it worse. For us gen1's, the have an opening in the fender to run the pipe down. Unfortunately, Toyota closed it up on the gen2's. If you want a CAI, I'd suggest finding a way to open the fender to run the piping.

[Down2TheC]

btw... I'm rerigging my system for vid editing and should have some clips up in the next week or so.

[Lucky]

Biggi_e has some clips of the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=23629

I also have a couple REALLY CRAPPY vids from my cell phone up...

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=24632

down2thec has a sound byte for the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php? ... =cpe+video

PhreakdOut used to have either a vid or sound byte for the Injen, but it appears to have been deleted for inactivity... I did a search and couldn't find any more vids / clips for the Gen 2 Injen (which is odd, cuz I believe more people have it than the CP-e). Oh well...

I just now got around to paying attention to the performance aspect of my car because I'm thinking about working a bit on it before I start on visuals. So, all in all, would you recommend the CP-e or the CAI, Prodigy?

[theprodigy79]

Biggi_e has some clips of the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=23629

I also have a couple REALLY CRAPPY vids from my cell phone up...

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php?t=24632

down2thec has a sound byte for the CP-e here:

http://www.solaraguy.org/viewtopic.php? ... =cpe+video

PhreakdOut used to have either a vid or sound byte for the Injen, but it appears to have been deleted for inactivity... I did a search and couldn't find any more vids / clips for the Gen 2 Injen (which is odd, cuz I believe more people have it than the CP-e). Oh well...

I just now got around to paying attention to the performance aspect of my car because I'm thinking about working a bit on it before I start on visuals. So, all in all, would you recommend the CP-e or the CAI, Prodigy?

Unfortunately there is no Cold Air Intake (CAI) available for our Gen 2s due to spacing in the engine compartment... The only feasible way to accomplish something of the sort would be to relocate the battery, but that's not really something many people will support.

There are a couple Short Ram Intakes available for the Gen 2; the Injen and the CP-e MAFci system. The Injen usually runs around $210, and the CP-e can be had for around $470. If you don't wanna spend a ton, and you wanna have pretty tight sounding roar when you gun it, go with the Injen... If you want a true performance increase, the CP-e MAFci system is currently the ONLY part for the Gen 2 that offers it (and it sounds BADASS as well)!

The Injen is the 2.75" diameter SRI and a filter

The CP-e is a 3.5" diameter SRI, filter, and "MAF Customizer". The customizer is where most of the price difference (and performance difference) comes from... it piggybacks with the ECU and has a couple functions: 1) it recalculates the true amount of air the engine is sucking in (necessary due to the diameter increase of the pipe), and 2) it contains a performance oriented fuel map that CP-e took the time to dyno test and set up for the engine to put down the best mix of performance and function. If you choose to plop down an extra $30, you get the customizable version that you can actually hook a laptop up to and do your own tweaking (I chose to go without this).

Also, the CP-e is GUARANTEED not to set any Check Engine Lights.. and the company actually puts out fixes for its competitors pipes that do set CELs...

Hope I've been of some help!

-James

[kingkakyle]

does the injen actually give any performance gains at all?
even just a little? im jsut wondering
cuz i have an 4 cyl and they dont have a cp-e for the i-4

[dvdchris45]

According to Injen the V6 had power gains by up to 10-11hp...but that is probably unlikely because the ecu doesnt get programmed (like the cp-e) to detect the extra air flow.

So in a nutshell, no gains, unless Astro can chime with the gains Injen claimed when the dynoed June's prototype.

[Astro]

Injen did show the dyno to have gains of 10-11hp. But, IMO, I feel it just gives a smoother acceleration and a nice growl. I think you'll notice some power increase, but not enough to throw you back in your seat. Since there isn't anything big for the gen2, like a charger, I'd probably save my money and get the cp-e with the tunable MAF customizer. But, I guess if you just want sound get Injen...

[kingkakyle]

but there is no cp-e for the i-4 or am i wrong

[theprodigy79]

Correct, the only ones available for the I4 are:

Weapon R (www.weapon-r.com):
Secret Weapon Intake System (305-144)
Dragon Intake System (805-144)

Injen (www.injen.com):
Short Ram Intake, I4 (IS2025BLK or IS2025P)