Injen or CP-E Intakes CARB Approved for Gen 2 V6?

[PXLpainter]

I can't seem to find any info on CARB Approval for this intake:

Injen Short Ram Intake, 3.3L (IS2032P or IS2032BLK)

I see that it supposedly fits my 3.3 V6 but does anyone know if it's CARB approved? Nothing newer than Gen 1 on their web site.

From what I've learned, the CP-E is not - but does anyone know if it will be any time soon?

Thanks!

Jeff

[Biggi_e]

No CP-E will not be unless more sales will come thru. It costs way too much for them to make carb approved when not making enough sales. thousands of dollars...

[cklinh]

One step ahead of you, I asked a little while ago...

The CP-E is not... and most likely will not be... it costs on the order of tens of thousands of dollars (might have remembered incorrectly) to get the thing CARB approved, and they're not getting the return on investment to go through that...

The Injen, as far as I've heard, is CARB approved for other applications, but not the Gen 2 (this intake is also used for the Camry). That is the main reason why they don't list it as an application for the Gen 2. Now, some people were trying to track down whether they will go ahead or not, but I don't think there's anything definitive...

Also, a lot of other people here will just tell you to install the darn thing and just revert back to stock when it's time for the Smog Inspection...

I for one, do not want to go that route. I'd rather not have an intake than to have to fudge with it down the line.

Your car, your call...

Oh yeah, there was another thread about what happens if you're caught having an intake that's not CARB approved... I think to date, we don't have an answer in that thread (the answer may or may not sway me).

[PXLpainter]

Where they'll most likely get ya is at the smog station from what I've heard.

Not sure what the cops would do other than give you a fix-it tik-it - after all, who says you need an air filter at all while you're running - if you don't mind sucking crap into your engine? But who knows how f*@'d up the CHP is these days...

[dvdchris45]

Its ironic how most of us aren't going for the cp-e because its either too expensive or not carb approved here. Then again...they're not selling enough to get it approved.. Stuck at both ends?

You'd think Injen would get some decent sales for an approval but no luck with that either. Maybe its not too appealing to middle-aged women

[PXLpainter]

Its ironic how most of us aren't going for the cp-e because its either too expensive or not carb approved here. Then again...they're not selling enough to get it approved.. Stuck at both ends?

You'd think Injen would get some decent sales for an approval but no luck with that either. Maybe its not too appealing to middle-aged women

WTF? You mean that's the demographic for this car? I don't see it... but then, I don't see that many Gen 2 Solaras on the road yet either. Being that it's the only convertible that Toyota has to offer now - and its up there in style and class with the low-end Mercedes and BMWs - as well as Infinity and Lexus, I see a generally more mature market. But does that stop manufacturers from producing products for the Mercedes and BMers? Ni!

Anyway - other than just the cost difference, then why would anyone want to choose the Injen over the CP-E if neither have plans for CARB approval?

[theprodigy79]

Unfortionately, Injen has the name, the price, and the mass distribution. I hadn't heard of CP-e until Mike (down2thec) went and had his car proto'd... And the place is within 30 miles from me Injen has a massive market ranging over a ton of products for many vehicles. Ask people who've done stuff to their car to name a few performance companies that come to their mind and I guarantee Injen will usually be among them.

Not to mention... Injen is further advertised through all the ricers that have their stickers and license plate frames all over their rides...

[PXLpainter]

Since nobody seems to "make" an intake for the '06 V6, will it be safe to assume that ordering an '05 Injen will still work in my 3.3?

Also - does anyone know if the CARB-approved 3.0 V6 Injen intake fit on the 3.3?

[cklinh]

PXL,

From what I understand, they're the same thing... the 3.0 and 3.3 intakes...

And CARB approval is per application basis, so even though it's CARB approved for the 3.0, it is not for the 3.3 (and hence, the little dilemma).

Having said that... what does that little CARB sticker/certificate say? (I only have the TRD Exhaust one...)

If there are no real identifiers about the model of car... couldn't they be passed off easily?

[swindler]

It sounds like CARB approval is an consumer issue regardless of whether you meet emissions levels. That is, your car could meet emissions, and still be ticketed for failing CARB, right?

I'm in TX, and although we don't have CARB, we do have emissions testing. I think I would just have to make sure I pass emissions. If I fail, I get a second chance - before which I could put on my stock parts.

FYI, here's a blurb I pulled off an aftermarket parts maker website:

In the interest of improved air quality, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) requires new vehicle and manufacturers of aftermarket parts to develop engine and emissions equipment that either reduce or maintain specific air pollutants affected by vehicle use. Both the California Vehicle Code (section 27156) and Federal Clean Air Act (administered by the Environmental Protection Agency) prohibit modifications that increase vehicle emissions. Aftermarket parts manufacturers, particularly in the high-performance segment, are required to obtain CARB approval in the form of executive Orders (E.O.s) for any product not qualifying as a direct replacement for an original equipment part. ... Make sure that any emissions-related product you buy and install carries an E.O. number or is pending an E.O. Without this verification you are at risk, in potential violation of regulations and may incur unnecessary financial obligations during vehicle inspections or emissions tests.

[Down2TheC]

Just take the 15 minutes a year to swap it out. When's the last time a cop looked under the hood? As for which to buy, it's just like deciding between a TRD muffler and some $90 universal deal.

I know CA is anal, but do they really check the engine? IL hooks up the OBD and maybe gives you a run on the dyno. As long as you're not getting a CEL you'll pass.

Either way you go, keep the VSV valve that Injen instructions tell you to remove. Disconnecting it will give you a code in the ECU though no CEL will show.

[swindler]

I agree about taking the 15 minutes to swap it out. I don't have too much problem with that.

And I've never lived in CA, but from what I've read - state inspectors are supposed to check the CARB stickers before they even run the emissions tests, and they'll fail you without CARB - even if you pass an emissions test.

That being said, I'm absolutely sure that most of the CA residents out there know a shop that'll look the other way. There was a place I used to go to down here that would finish my yearly inspection before I even had a chance to pick a magazine out of the rack. I think all they checked was to see if there was a clean spot on the windshield to put the sticker.

(And I placed my order for the CP-e MAFci this week.)

Good luck to anyone in CA.

[cklinh]

^^^ If you get an a-hole cop... he WILL ask you to pop the hood.

And we all know how many a-hole cops there are

[PXLpainter]

So - what I think you're saying, is that if I ordered a "CARB-approved" intake from Injen for the Gen 1.5 V6 (3.0), it will come with the sticker... and it would fit a Gen 3.3 V6?

Not that I would necessarily DO that - but just wondering...

[PXLpainter]

Bump - anyone?

Will the Gen 1 V6 intake fit on the Gen 2? And does it come with the CARB sticker on it?