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Anyone Interested in a Carbon Fiber Hood GB?

Anyone Interested in a Carbon Fiber Hood GB?

Postby got sport » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:21 pm

Is anyone on here interested in a group buy for a carbon fiber hood groupbuy with VIS?

I contacted them, and they told me that in order for them to make one for our cars we'll need at least 25 people.

There's one currently from customcarbons, but it's a Grade A CF Hood.
http://www.customcarbons.com/product_in ... ucts_id/61

For the people with CF Hoods:

1. Is there much of a difference between Grade A and Grade AA CF Hoods? I know Grade AA has the carbon fiber on the back skeleton part of the hood.
2. What do you think of the CF Hood from customcarbons? Is it a good idea to get it from them?
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Postby boaclub923 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:04 am

i get question tho? i don't get what's the point to chagne CF hood on new solara since solara uses light weight alumiun hood already. is there any other benifit from CF hood besides weight?
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Re: Anyone Interested in a Carbon Fiber Hood GB?

Postby jesse789 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:50 pm

got sport wrote:Is anyone on here interested in a group buy for a carbon fiber hood groupbuy with VIS?


its the same person as the ebay ones... i emailed them 5x about all the pictures having ripples on the hood and never heard back. also the shipping is a lil high. i had a body kit shipped to me before and it only cost about $90 compared to their $150.

boaclub923 wrote:is there any other benifit from CF hood besides weight?


besides the wieght and the look... no theres no other benifits.


I WANT ONE BUT THESE PEOPLE DONT SEEM TO BE ALL TOO MUCH ON THE LEVEL.
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Postby got sport » Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:30 pm

The place customcarbons is local to me, so I’ll save on the shipping. If I do get one from them, I'll check the hood first before I buy it. It's a Grade A though, so it's good quality.

I’m interested in a VIS CF Hood because of VIS’s reputation, but if we can’t get a 25 GB, I’ll just get the one from customcarbons.
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Postby Mole » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:05 pm

boaclub923 wrote:i get question tho? i don't get what's the point to chagne CF hood on new solara since solara uses light weight alumiun hood already. is there any other benifit from CF hood besides weight?


actually there is.

CF material does not conduct or retain heat, so it may allow your engine to cool down quicker.
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Postby Willy7o2 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:41 pm

The Gen2 Hood Feels a little heavy to me... My Friend's Alluminum WRX Hood is really light... or is it the hydralics making it feel heavy when opening? It drops pretty hard too when closing.... Changing to the CF hood, would I need to adjust or change the hydralic that holds it up so it doesn't shoot the hood right up because its lighter?
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Postby ICrazyChrisI » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:12 am

got sport wrote:
I’m interested in a VIS CF Hood because of VIS’s reputation


You're joking right..
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Actually...

Postby mmcdonald » Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:39 am

Mole, if carbon fiber does not conduct or retain heat, then it will act as an insulator and prevent the dissipation of heat from the engine compartment, and have the opposite effect. It will not allow your engine to cool down quicker, but prevent it from cooling down at all through the hood.

A metal hood conducts heat away from the engine (that's why it feels hot after a run). The CF hood would not allow heat to escape in this area and prevent this cool down effect.

Metal is used for heat sinks on electrical components because of its ability to conduct heat away. CF acts like a styrofoam cooler and impedes thermal equilibrium.

CF is for weight savings, not its cooling effect. It has none.

When I was a young shaver, the guys would paint their hoods flat black for black's ability to conduct heat. Unfortunately, it would capture as much heat from the sun, and more, than the engine could generate, and probably had the opposite effect. I figure my black paint is a wash in that regard. I think the white paint jobs do much better at heat dissipation.

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Re: Actually...

Postby DocJohn » Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:11 am

mmcdonald wrote:When I was a young shaver, the guys would paint their hoods flat black for black's ability to conduct heat. Unfortunately, it would capture as much heat from the sun, and more, than the engine could generate, and probably had the opposite effect. I figure my black paint is a wash in that regard. I think the white paint jobs do much better at heat dissipation.

Is there a physics major in the house?



Not a physics major but... white reflects heat best, black dissipates (radiates) heat best in the dark (that is when it is not being radiantly heated by sunlight). That's why heat sinks are usually painted black.
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Postby Astro » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:11 am

CustomCarbon has a few on ebay starting @$179 no reserve...
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Postby mmcdonald » Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:59 am

Actually, heat sinks are usually unpainted since paint inhibits heat dissipation. Most heat sinks are bare metal. On some occassions they are anodized, but this is only for style, not heat dissipation.

Black is a good color for CAPTURING heat from light sources, but it will not effect the capture or dissipation of heat from heat sources. Granted, heat and light are the same thing, but black only works well in the visible to ultra-violet ranges, and not the infra-red (engine block heat) ranges. In visible to ultra-violet ranges, black ABSORBS heat, but will not dissipate it any better than any other similarly composed surface.

A black hood (black anything) converts sunlight to heat, thus absorbing heat from the sun while it is trying to absorb and dissipate heat from the engine.

A white hood will reflect sunlight and convert less of it to heat. It will not reflect "heat" per se, so the heat rising from the heat source underneath it (the engine) can use more of the metal hood's ability to absorb and dissipate heat.

The compostion of the heat sink (metal) is the important factor here for heat DISSIPATION, not the color. Color only effects what other sources the heat sink will be trying to ABSORB heat from. A non-conducting heat sink (carbon fiber) will neither absorb heat from the engine, nor dissipate heat from the engine, thus, by definition, insulating it.

Anywho, most people don't understand the physics. That's why a lot of sandwich places use metal foil for hot sandwiches. They think it keeps the sandwich warmer, when in fact it makes it get colder MUCH faster. Paper would be the better wrapper since it is an insolator. That's why homeless people use newspapers for blankets.
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Re: hehe

Postby DocJohn » Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:25 am

mmcdonald wrote:Anywho, most people don't understand the physics.


Well thank you for so eloquently pointing out my ignorance. Perhaps you are familiar with the concept of “black body radiation” in physics?

"...consider how differently different materials absorb radiation. Some, like glass, seem to absorb light hardly at all-the light goes through. For a shiny metallic surface, the light isn't absorbed either, it gets reflected. For a black material like soot, light and heat are almost completely absorbed, and the material gets warm. How can we understand these different behaviors in terms of light as an electromagnetic wave interacting with charges in the material, causing them to oscillate and absorb energy from the radiation? In the case of glass, evidently this doesn't happen, at least not much. A full understanding of how this works needs quantum mechanics, but the general idea is as follows. There are charges-electrons-in glass that are able to oscillate in response to an applied external oscillating electric field, but these charges are tightly bound to atoms, and only oscillate at certain frequencies. It happens that for ordinary glass none of these frequencies correspond to those of visible light, so there is no resonance with a light wave, and hence little energy absorbed. Glass is opaque at some frequencies outside the visible range (in general, both in the infrared and the ultraviolet). These are the frequencies at which the electrical charge distribution in the atoms or bonds can naturally oscillate.

A piece of metal has electrons free to move through the entire solid. This is why metals can conduct electricity. It is also why they are shiny. These unattached electrons oscillate together with large amplitude in response to the electrical field of an incoming light wave. They themselves then radiate electromagnetically, just like a current in an antenna. This radiation from the oscillating electrons is the reflected light. In this situation, little of the incoming radiant energy is absorbed, it is just reradiated, that is, reflected.

Soot, like a metal, will conduct an electric current, although not nearly so well. There are unattached electrons, which can move through the whole solid, but they keep bumping into things-they have a short mean free path. When they bump, they cause vibration, like a pinball machine, so they give up energy into heat. Although the electrons in soot have a short mean free path compared to that in a good metal, they move very freely compared with electrons in atoms, so they can accelerate and pick up energy from the electric field in the light wave. They are therefore effective intermediaries in transferring energy from the light wave into heat.

Heated bodies radiate by processes just like the absorption described above operating in reverse. Thus, for soot heat causes the lattice to vibrate more vigorously, giving energy to the electrons (imagine them as balls in a pinball machine with strongly vibrating barriers, etc.) and since the electrons are charged they radiate away excess kinetic energy. On the other hand, the electrons in a metal have very long mean free paths, the lattice vibrations affect them much less, so they are less effective in radiating away heat. It is evident from considerations like this that good absorbers of radiation are also good emitters." (underline added for emphasis)

Quoted source: http://www.phys.virginia.edu/classes/25 ... ation.html

My example of the black heat sink may have been wrong, but my premise was correct when I stated that "black dissipates (radiates) heat best in the dark".
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Postby got sport » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:44 am

Nice…Welcome to PhysicsGuy.com
Interesting stuff.

So……you guys interested in the groupbuy? :)
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Postby gogeta » Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:49 am

depends on a definite price if its low enough....i'm in....i'm gettin cheap cuz it's gettin cold so not much work for a little while... :evil:
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