'06 donor call for CP-e

[Sebas007]

Hi all interested ones,


I went to Beltsville (CP-e facilities) with my '06 SE V6 to test and tuned the pipe and fuel map module. I tested a little bit, myself, on 40 mph road...to tell you that I was really happy with the sound I felt maybe a little improvement in performance. When I crossed the custom and I was back in Canada, I felt better to test it...I think that it would be possible to make it better...anyway I think I'll go test on a dyno myself and put the O2 sensor in my exhaust to see what it gives. For now I'm tired 1300 miles in 2 shots !!

I have question for '04-'05 that have installed the CP-e pipe on...do the tranny react more agressively then without the pipe (my tranny react like a more sporty one...it gives a "hit" passing from gear 2 to gear 3 (by example)...also I think I smelt fuel odor when I'm gunning it...does it is normal ??

Thanks !!

[Down2TheC]

Alright Sebastion! Nice road trip!

So what did cp-e say the power improvement was? Did they get the same as the '04 once it was tuned? Did they say they'd be selling to the '06 crowd now?

As for your questions... Yes, the shifts do seem to react quicker but that's just because of the boost in torque. RPM and torque are the inputs that rule when the tranny shifts. Some of it might be mental too. You tend to punch it more when you have the pipe on.

The smell is probably your catalytic converter. Mine always starts to smell of sulphur/rotten eggs/striking matches) when i take it up to 6000rpm repeadedly. It's not the intake. It's just that you do that more when you have the sound!!!

I wouldn't mess with the tune (if you have the tunable) without saving the existing maps. They have a very advanced dyno at cp-e that tells them way more than any DynoJet. The tune they gave you will be the most power for your engine.

Thanks for the mile bro!

[swindler]

Yeah, I'd like to see the numbers. I didn't hear anything that would keep me from moving forward on my order. But I'd like to get a little better measure on what I'm getting.

Thanks here too for the road trip, Sebas007!

[Sebas007]

Yeah, I'd like to see the numbers. I didn't hear anything that would keep me from moving forward on my order. But I'd like to get a little better measure on what I'm getting.

Thanks here too for the road trip, Sebas007!

I have no numbers...I just saw some graphics of the air/fuel ratio that's his now starting from 14.7 for normal mid throttle passing by 13.5 high throttle to 12.8 aournd at full throttle...I will plug my laptop on it to see what is all about...for sure I'll save the map on my USB memory stick...I'm just curious if they made some change for 3/4 throttle for all the RPM...it must be for the high RPM only...anyway I'll do some more testing and tell Josh about it. I had no problem riding it...I'm curious to know my power...because at some RPM I don't fell any difference but also don't know what 8-10 whp fells like !

[PXLpainter]

Wow - thanks for taking the time to get down there and back - and for giving us a substantial update!

I do think I'll eventually go with the CP-e down the road - especially if there's a deeper sound generated from the intake and since they actually work the ECU to accomodate the change in airflow.

Probably my biggest gripe with the Injen is how high-pitched the sound is... feels a little ricey to me at times I'm afraid.

[Sebas007]

Thanks for the anwsers...I'm about to plug my laptop in to see the fuel mapping. Josh has been really cool...we talk about CP-e and the market. I tell him that I found it ridiculous to own a Solara V6 SE or SLE and pretending that 500$ is too expensive to get only performance mods available (I mean real performance improvement)...the market of the Mazda 6 is so big comparing to Solara...the car sells numbers are there to tell something but I think that the % of Solara's owner that are serious in there modding is very weak. At least with the tuning of the '06 pipe, CP-e will double their sells for the Toyota Solara's...

Alright Sebastion! Nice road trip!

So what did cp-e say the power improvement was? Did they get the same as the '04 once it was tuned? Did they say they'd be selling to the '06 crowd now?

As for your questions... Yes, the shifts do seem to react quicker but that's just because of the boost in torque. RPM and torque are the inputs that rule when the tranny shifts. Some of it might be mental too. You tend to punch it more when you have the pipe on.

The smell is probably your catalytic converter. Mine always starts to smell of sulphur/rotten eggs/striking matches) when i take it up to 6000rpm repeadedly. It's not the intake. It's just that you do that more when you have the sound!!!

I wouldn't mess with the tune (if you have the tunable) without saving the existing maps. They have a very advanced dyno at cp-e that tells them way more than any DynoJet. The tune they gave you will be the most power for your engine.

Thanks for the mile bro!

[Sebas007]

I don't listened to the Injen sound in "real" just on mp3...but I do think that the CP-e pipe give a lower tone sound...at high RPM it is ricey to me...I'm curious to know on my car how many HP I got more...I know that I have 185 whp stock (K&N air filter+TRD Muffler) I know that from the first time I tested the pipe at a dyno garage. I'll stop to write it and I'll do connect my laptop on my car...

Wow - thanks for taking the time to get down there and back - and for giving us a substantial update!

I do think I'll eventually go with the CP-e down the road - especially if there's a deeper sound generated from the intake and since they actually work the ECU to accomodate the change in airflow.

Probably my biggest gripe with the Injen is how high-pitched the sound is... feels a little ricey to me at times I'm afraid.

[Down2TheC]

If you're saying you'll dyno it now, then please get a run with the cp-e map so the '06 SolaraGuys know what they'll get for improvement out of the box. Then run any tweaked maps you do. (Be careful messing with that map.)

[swindler]

FYI-

I got this e-mail from Josh at CP-e:

"The gains were the same as the '04's therefore we will not be posting new dyno graphs. The problem we found was due to programming within the ecu. Toyota coded the ECU differently which was throwing off our piggyback MAF Customizer. It had nothing to do with the connections. Every year car manufactures like to make changes. We are constantly having to make changes from year to year."

It sounds like the difference was not the fuel map per se, but rather the manner in which their MAF customizer was using to co-exist with the ECU. Almost like they had to map their functions to different address ranges within the ECU programming.

At any rate, I'm moving forward with my order. He said he had two other on backorder.

[Sebas007]

If you're saying you'll dyno it now, then please get a run with the cp-e map so the '06 SolaraGuys know what they'll get for improvement out of the box. Then run any tweaked maps you do. (Be careful messing with that map.)

Yeah if I go dyno it, I'll do with the CP-e reprogrammed mapping. Don't worry with me messing with the maps...I know how it works and I'll not play too much with it anyway...I know already that you told it to help me, at least to be sure I'm aware of the "danger" playing with the fuel map

[Sebas007]

Man you make it some complex ... it's really the ECU that is different...so they have to adjust the mapping of the MAF Customizer in 3/4 to full throttle on the volts axis and the same for the RPM. Lou, the electronic engineer, tuned it to give the good air/fuel mapping that they produce on the 04-05 product...that's it

FYI-

I got this e-mail from Josh at CP-e:

"The gains were the same as the '04's therefore we will not be posting new dyno graphs. The problem we found was due to programming within the ecu. Toyota coded the ECU differently which was throwing off our piggyback MAF Customizer. It had nothing to do with the connections. Every year car manufactures like to make changes. We are constantly having to make changes from year to year."

It sounds like the difference was not the fuel map per se, but rather the manner in which their MAF customizer was using to co-exist with the ECU. Almost like they had to map their functions to different address ranges within the ECU programming.

At any rate, I'm moving forward with my order. He said he had two other on backorder.

[swindler]

Man you make it some complex ... it's really the ECU that is different...so they have to adjust the mapping of the MAF Customizer in 3/4 to full throttle on the volts axis and the same for the RPM. Lou, the electronic engineer, tuned it to give the good air/fuel mapping that they produce on the 04-05 product...that's it

FYI-

I got this e-mail from Josh at CP-e:

"The gains were the same as the '04's therefore we will not be posting new dyno graphs. The problem we found was due to programming within the ecu. Toyota coded the ECU differently which was throwing off our piggyback MAF Customizer. It had nothing to do with the connections. Every year car manufactures like to make changes. We are constantly having to make changes from year to year."

It sounds like the difference was not the fuel map per se, but rather the manner in which their MAF customizer was using to co-exist with the ECU. Almost like they had to map their functions to different address ranges within the ECU programming.

At any rate, I'm moving forward with my order. He said he had two other on backorder.

Yeah. I think that's what I was trying to say. The MAF customizer has to pull info from the ECU in order to set the proper MAF output voltage (tricking the ECU into thinking it has the normal intake.) The problem was that the MAF customizer was not in sync with the ECU, and so the fuel map was being applied incorrectly. My understanding was that the fuel map is essentially the same for the '06 as it was in the earlier Gen 2s, but they had to re-teach the MAF customizer how to get data from the ECU (due to the change in ECU programming). That's why the dyno graphs are the same. They aren't changing the fuel/RPM mapping for the '06. Just teaching the MAF how and when to apply the fuel map.

[PXLpainter]

Hell yeah - I coulda told you it was Toyota's stupid ECU programming... I thought it was that all along actually - since really, nothing else is different from the 04/05.

It became clear to me early on when I tried several times to resolve the lag issue and found out from the factory that the 06 ECU has an entirely different programmin in it than the 04/05 - hence the inability to "Flash" the ECU with a lag fix. I assume that they have the same ECU in the 07 as well, but who knows. I'm hoping so, as the complaints to get the lag issue fixed will mound up eventually and force them to get a fix. Otherwise, I'm afraid us 06-ers are screwed.

[Down2TheC]

I talked to Josh and the '06 cp-e intake is now for sale. I'd grab them while they're on the shelf. The initial run of pipes is down to a very small number and while Josh didn't say anything, they'll have to decide if they want to invest in another run of 30 pipes once they're out. Judging from the response thus far, I personally would end the line. They seem comitted to the product though. They asked me to start calling for an '07 donor to make sure the ECU didn't change again.

[swindler]

The '06 CP-e intakes are shipping! Mine shipped yesterday, due Friday. (How do you make the grin look bigger on this guy?)

Bad news, I may not get to it this weekend (or next).