Some feed back for TRD Supercharger for 3.3L V6

[Sebas007]

Hi guys,

following an e-mail I send to TRD and Eaton\Magnuson and their answer following after.


Hi,
I writing you about supercharger made by Eaton for TRD. I make part of a big group that own Toyota Solara. We all know that TRD offers a supercharger for the 3.0L V6 (1999-2003 Toyota Solara). I want to know several things, first, did TRD ever asked you to design a new supercharger for the 2004+ Toyota Solara 3.3L V6 ?? If not would it be possible to make it ? I want to know because we would put some big pressure on TRD USA to make it produces, there is really a demand !! AS follow a link about a TRD Solara (3.0L V6) equipped with TRD supercharger made by Eaton.


http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/featu ... cc_solara/

...Outfitted with TRD's Stage 3 upgrade kit, the TRD Camry Solara we tested sports a supercharger made by Eaton specifically for TRD...


Thank you for the future info !

Sébastien Laroche

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TRD USA answer ... Thank you for your interest in TRD but there are no plans at this time to offer a 3.3L supercharger kit.


Magnuson answer more details : Sebastien,

Magnuson Products would love to help you with your request. Just as we have with TRD. However to build a current model kit the cost Estimate would be near $150.000. Ouch I know ! It's hard to build just a few. Most of our costs are based on 10000 units annually, to re-coup your costs. Your best bet would be to keep the pressure on Toyota... Sounds like a cheaper way to go...

Kevin G
*WWW.MAGNUSONPRODUCTS.COM *WWW.MAGNACHARGER.COM

Kevin S. Gunn
Sales Director Magnuson Products
1990 Knoll Drive
Ventura,Ca 93003
kgunn@magnacharger.com
reman@magnusonproducts.com tel:
fax:
mobile: 805-289-0044 Ext. 260
805-677-4897
805-797-1334

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I know that many of you knew and have no hope to get a 3.3L V6 supercharger from TRD or so...I try to push it some more further...seem that TRD is a joke like I read before on forum.

[michaels artic frost]

Sébastien,

Thanks for doing what you can in regards to this and giving us some highlights/updates. Definitely keep us posted on your pursuit.

-Michael

[MikeATL]

No suprise here.

[Astro]

I've talked to Matt over at Under Pressure and he mentioned making a different s/c setup for the 1MZ. I wonder if many of you bug him about the 3MZ, he might do something. I would imagine it wouldn't be cheap, but it's possible. What sucks is that without lowering compression, there's not going to be alot of boost.

[Sebas007]

No suprise here.

Yeah buddy, it's so easy to have this kind of defeatism talk (yeah maybe realistic too I know that). At least I know some numbers(minimum unit and development costs)...and as Solara don't sell big bunch every year...divide by those who would be serious about buying a SC maybe 3 time more expensive than a SC or Turbo for other cars...make us few guys. The only way would be to be the direct customer instead of being TRD (yeah I know the warranty...)...to do that we need all technical specs Eaton (by example) would need to make it...and to push some more. The idea might me crazy but it's the only way to get a serious boost of ponies.

[Sebas007]

Magnuson Products would love to help you with your request. Just as we have with TRD. However to build a current model kit the cost Estimate would be near $150.000. Ouch I know ! It's hard to build just a few. Most of our costs are based on 10000 units annually, to re-coup your costs. Your best bet would be to keep the pressure on Toyota... Sounds like a cheaper way to go...

Kevin G
*WWW.MAGNUSONPRODUCTS.COM *WWW.MAGNACHARGER.COM

Kevin S. Gunn
Sales Director Magnuson Products
1990 Knoll Drive
Ventura,Ca 93003
kgunn@magnacharger.com
reman@magnusonproducts.com tel:
fax:
mobile: 805-289-0044 Ext. 260
805-677-4897
805-797-1334

This known...Do you think we can get 100 serious Gen 2 V6 guys by putting like 1500$ or 2000$ in the development of a supercharger for us ?? I don't know how it would cost us to produce it, if we pay for develpment. Impossible is dead...with the time maybe we can get many (around 100) to really being serious about it !

[JMSinMaryland]

If I was a betting man I'd pass

[Sentinel]

if there are no blower options for the 3.3 and Eaton wants you to pay them to engineer the thing, perhaps you should hook up with a Turbo shop.
There will be a turbo that you could take off the shelf, maybe even internally waste-gated. Intake and exhaust manifolds, an intercooler if ya really want, and then all you have to do is screw with the ECU so it dosn't freak.

[superlara]

ok so this is what I know straight from some upper toyota guys i kno. well TRD screwed up in europe somewhere when they ran one of their toyota C's. well to no suprise the car side flipped and killed the driver and 6 people watching the race. now the problem is supposedly the reason why the car flipped so suddenly is due to a failure in the TRD suspension system. so TRD ended up paying for all funeral costs and any other moneys towards the families.

and SUPPOSEDLY thats the reason why TRD is presently owned by their engineers and not upper managerial staff.

so when i heard this i asked them why the hell would they hook up a TC and not have nothing for us. well it being on the market for a good 3 years with low sales they used the TRD parts to push the sales which it did...

and then they said something that almost stabbed me in my heart. "truthfully TRD is pretty much over with, its just a matter of time now"

now all we pretty much have to rely on is if someone could make a custom manifold

sad....:'(

[Sebas007]

Never heard about that...Do you know when and where it happens ??

ok so this is what I know straight from some upper toyota guys i kno. well TRD fluffied up in europe somewhere when they ran one of their toyota C's. well to no suprise the car side flipped and killed the driver and 6 people watching the race. now the problem is supposedly the reason why the car flipped so suddenly is due to a failure in the TRD suspension system. so TRD ended up paying for all funeral costs and any other moneys towards the families.

and SUPPOSEDLY thats the reason why TRD is presently owned by their engineers and not upper managerial staff.

so when i heard this i asked them why the hell would they hook up a TC and not have nothing for us. well it being on the market for a good 3 years with low sales they used the TRD parts to push the sales which it did...

and then they said something that almost stabbed me in my heart. "truthfully TRD is pretty much over with, its just a matter of time now"

now all we pretty much have to rely on is if someone could make a custom manifold

sad....:'(

[Down2TheC]

That answer from Magnuson was a little bogus I think. I don't doubt that R&D could go to $150K for an off the shelf a/m mod. But no s/c could expect 10k buyers a year even if it were an OEM option at purchase. Please.
I think the only hope for an s/c (and it's slim) is to find one that's close and convince the maker to make a kit for a Solara conversion. That would be less R&D and more sales for their existing product that they're already tooled for. That's good business. (If it were a matter of a new bracket, belt, etc.)
Folks in the biz can check me on this but the big cost is the design, tooling and making a run. Tuning and testing is cheap in comparison. That's my theory anyway.

[Sebas007]

Make way more sense to me...I was a bit suprised of the 10 000 units number per year....even civic don't have this big market !! I know that Eaton do some supercharger that we could start from...but I don't much yet about supercharger. There is 2 models that could fit for the 3.3L V6
Eaton Supercharger seems to has the best web site and explanation in all the Supercharger company.

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/product/engine_controls/superchargers/M62.asp

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/product/engine_controls/superchargers/M90.asp

That answer from Magnuson was a little bogus I think. I don't doubt that R&D could go to $150K for an off the shelf a/m mod. But no s/c could expect 10k buyers a year even if it were an OEM option at purchase. Please.
I think the only hope for an s/c (and it's slim) is to find one that's close and convince the maker to make a kit for a Solara conversion. That would be less R&D and more sales for their existing product that they're already tooled for. That's good business. (If it were a matter of a new bracket, belt, etc.)
Folks in the biz can check me on this but the big cost is the design, tooling and making a run. Tuning and testing is cheap in comparison. That's my theory anyway.

[PXLpainter]

Okay - so say we are able to cobble together some parts from Eaton, get someone to custom build a manifold and some tool shop to make brackets & pulleys, etc... how do we tackle the re-programming of the ECU?

I would definitely be more interested in an S/C over a Turbo on this beast. Its weakest in low-end HP & Torque.

[Down2TheC]

^^^ Got me. I'm not S/C smart yet. I learn what I need. I'm assuming you'd need a better MAF, and the fuel map needs to change since the air is pressurized. Sounds like a job for an AFC (or a cp-e MAF customizer programmable) and some tuning time. Just speculating though.

Let's go ask the Gen1 guys... they'll know!

[Sebas007]

I have the CP-e MAFci tunable version...but would need a pro to be able to set it up. At least we can have hints from Gen1 - 1.5 guys !

^^^ Got me. I'm not S/C smart yet. I learn what I need. I'm assuming you'd need a better MAF, and the fuel map needs to change since the air is pressurized. Sounds like a job for an AFC (or a cp-e MAF customizer programmable) and some tuning time. Just speculating though.

Let's go ask the Gen1 guys... they'll know!