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Higher than stock 4psi boost on the 1MZ-FE?

Postby Paladin06Greg » Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:17 am

8) Mine were checked with the engine hot..
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Postby Alex(AUS) » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:21 am

I havent checked mine still :( I will eventually do it ... perhaps early 2007.

But I did notice that when the car is cold i get some blow-back (just enough to feel it) from the oil hole. As soon as the car warms up just a little (1 min) there is barely any at all. I dont know what this means ... but it is obvious that measuring the compression while the car is cold isnt accurate.

Also, I did speak to xenoturkey who said that he has been having a fair bit of blow-back lately ... this may be related to his poor compression measurements.

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Postby SC V6 » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:37 am

any blow by is bad... it is from the piston rings not sealing completly... which is ring failure... and that is bad bad bad news
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Postby Paladin06Greg » Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:19 pm

This is very true. Mine started ever so slightly. Then one day I hammered the throttle and that was all she wrote. Well $XX.XXXX.00 later better then ever.

SC V6 wrote:any blow by is bad... it is from the piston rings not sealing completly... which is ring failure... and that is bad bad bad news
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Postby Fletch » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:37 am

Please elaborate how you detected the blow by. Was it by the feel of the car? I currently have an air-breather on the front bank valve cover vent and there is a lot of oil in it but this should be normal.

I'll do a hot compression check sometime next week, and maybe a cold check on the weekend depending on the results. I have noticed reduced power when the engine is cold.
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Postby Alex(AUS) » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:57 am

I hope that the little blow-by that I am getting when the car is cold is ok ... If you think about it ... as the engine heats up the parts will expand so it will block the holes that introduce the blow-by. I would have had some blow-by even before the supercharger because I did get some oil coming from the breather into the intake (but it was only a few drops in 100k miles). I dont know what is normal and what is not ...

For Fletch: What I did was; I stated the car (cold) removed the oil cap and put my hand over it to detect air pressure. I could feel it slightly on my hand (just enough to notice). After a minute idling I noticed the pressure went away ...

Maybe Joe and Greg can confirm how much blow-by their engines are/were producing when things went funny ...

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Postby Alex(AUS) » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:59 am

On a side note ...

Fletch, How do you like the SPEC clutch and flywheel?

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Postby Fletch » Tue Nov 23, 2004 6:51 am

Alex, see this post for my thoughts on the clutch/flywheel set up

http://www.zer0.info/solaraguy/viewtopi ... 028#131028

When I bought the car NA @ 97k miles there was oil from the valve vent to the intake.
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Postby JoeB » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:15 am

Normally aspirated cars run at some number of inches of vacuum (inHg) even under full load. Some very efficient engines have reported at or close to 0psi. When you get into boosted applications like the turbos and superchargers, a little oil through there is not uncommon. That's why we have oil catch cans.

Initially, I had noticed very small amounts of oil in that hose that goes from the valve cover to the intake. Just enough you can feel a very light oil texture. Then recently my car wouldn't run well at cold idle. Immediately suspecting the MAF, I pulled it apart and noticed drops of oil collected around couplings and the MAF was coated too. There was oil dripping out of the MAF. I cleaned it all up and she ran great again. That's when I decided to check the compression. I think this is somewhat similar to Greg's experience (Greg?). One difference for Greg was that day stomping it at the light then the next light big trouble.

I know checking the compression is not the most accurate when cold but the philosophy is, there should be very little difference between cylinders whether they're cold or hot. Since it is a LOT easier to work on cold, that's what I did :D . Sure the actual numbers will change a little with the engine warm but they will change proportionally. With 1 cylinder running at 190psi and 1 running at 110psi, that spells BIG trouble.

With oil on #2 plug, my guess is loss of both rings in that cylinder. #4 just had a loss of compression but no oil so I'm guessing just the compression ring. Who knows about the back, too hard to get to. With 1 bad cylinder, it's time for my baby to get what she REALLY wanted all along! 8) I don't expect to get cracked pistons out of there. My guess is just the ring lands. After all, she's still running 14.2 at the track consistantly. -JoeB
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Postby SC V6 » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:44 am

yeah... my biggest sign was when I had white smoke coming out the valve cover hose.. the valve cover hose SHOULD have a vaccumm to it... it shouldn't be pushing air out.. it should be a slight sucking from the engine...
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Postby SBCelicaGT » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:10 pm

SC V6 wrote:yeah... my biggest sign was when I had white smoke coming out the valve cover hose.. the valve cover hose SHOULD have a vaccumm to it... it shouldn't be pushing air out.. it should be a slight sucking from the engine...


Well... maybe. Where does the rear bank connect to on the S/C manifold? If it connects to the manifold after the blower the PCV valve might have trouble keeping air out of the crank case.

Originally, the PCV system on this engine looks like any other V type engine: Air goes in one side and out the other. This means the air goes from the tube connected to the air intake pipe, through the crankcase, out the rear bank valve cover, through the PCV valve. and into the manifold. This happens thanks to the vacuum in the manifold.

In a boosted application, that process might be reversed when the manifold is pressurized. This would explain the oil inside the intake.

Possible solutions might be to install a PCV designed to handle boost, or reroute the PCV to the negative pressure side of the blower.

Just some things to consider. This shouldn't affect drivability, but then it could. If there is positive pressure in the crankcase the rings will not seat as well as they should. Hmmm....
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Postby SC V6 » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:16 pm

I've got a vaccumm currently... and it hasn't changed.. and im still running boost
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Postby Alex(AUS) » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:03 am

Joe ... Can you confirm and quantify the pressure you get in/out of the oil hole at the moment ...

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Postby JoeB » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:32 am

Alex(AUS) wrote:Joe ... Can you confirm and quantify the pressure you get in/out of the oil hole at the moment ...

Thanks,

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Postby Alex(AUS) » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:37 am

Fletch, ahm SPEC stage 3 clutch is good for 492 ft.lbs :o . Dont you think that might be a tad excessive? :lol:

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