Why 1MZ TRD S/C cannot work on 3MZ ??

[Sebas007]

I'm just trying to figure it out why 1MZ TRD S/C cannot fit and work on 3MZ ??...but surely I'll do it faster by asking the question directly. Before and I was a pure noobie I was just taking what you guys said about it...but since I know 1MZ and 3MZ block are the same...do the head are the same or what it is different ?? I think VVT-i came on Gen 1.5 isn't it ??
What is the main problem about installing TRD S/C 1MZ on a 3MZ ?

To avoid the S/C problem I was thinking of a turbo setup...I read a lot and yeah it would be an option...but a complicated option. I read all the tech info on Garrett website. But I was wondering...why using a turbo even if it is more efficient, I wouldn't not need extra PSI...6-7 PSI with a S/C would be the maximum I would put it. Also turbo means custome Y-pipe and return pipe...but I'm planning to get the JPP if the result can be good (I'm realistic tho).

Other options...other S/C company. I wrote Vortech about it...they will probably tell me same thing as Eaton S/C.

If you guys can answer my topic subject question...I'll appreciate !

Thanks

[---CAMRAZY---]

I don't think vvt-i has anything to do with it, I just think since no one has done it, everyone and their granny say it cannot be done.


I think it will work but it is uncharted waters for everyone.


I will let you be the first... lol, but ask yourself, are you willing to blow your current engine?? Everyone is scared to try, I think.

[Jon11582]

VVTi is not on any 1MZ on the Solara. Only on the 4cyl 2AZ had VVTi. the 1MZ did have VVT-i for the Sienna (01-03), Avalon (00-04), ES300 (99-03), and Highlander (01-03) though.

To see if VVTi is an issue, see if any TRD SC was made for any of those 1MZs for years where they were equipped with VVTi.

[Sebas007]

Yeah I think also it is...probably the intake part of both engine bit different from 1MZ to 3MZ...don't know. I would need a senior Toyota engine tech to answer that I think ! I just need low boost...it is a long-term project since I'm not millionaire yet ! But better starting now to know wihch route I'll take.

I wonder how all the turbo tubing would fit in Gen 2 crowded engine bay !?

I hope we will have some aftermarket help someday when a majority of 3MZ user will not remain under warranty...maybe the market will open up then !?

One other question...since S/C exist like Eaton M90 (root type) or Vortech V series (centrifugal...more efficient) what are the main challenge ?? Does a proper custom manifold would be the only challenge to make it works ??

[Sebas007]

VVTi is not on any 1MZ on the Solara. Only on the 4cyl 2AZ had VVTi. the 1MZ did have VVT-i for the Sienna (01-03), Avalon (00-04), ES300 (99-03), and Highlander (01-03) though.

To see if VVTi is an issue, see if any TRD SC was made for any of those 1MZs for years where they were equipped with VVTi.

I know Toyota trucks with VVT-i all having their own TRD S/C !!
1.8 VVT-i Corolla having their own TRD S/C (WTF !!)
2.4 Scion Tc has it too

maybe the U151E tranny (Gen 2 V6) wouldn't stand it...then an "upgrade" or a swap to E153 or E351 would be the way to go...

[Jon11582]

VVTi is not on any 1MZ on the Solara. Only on the 4cyl 2AZ had VVTi. the 1MZ did have VVT-i for the Sienna (01-03), Avalon (00-04), ES300 (99-03), and Highlander (01-03) though.

To see if VVTi is an issue, see if any TRD SC was made for any of those 1MZs for years where they were equipped with VVTi.

I know Toyota trucks with VVT-i all having their own TRD S/C !!
1.8 VVT-i Corolla having their own TRD S/C (WTF !!)
2.4 Scion Tc has it too

maybe the U151E tranny (Gen 2 V6) wouldn't stand it...then an "upgrade" or a swap to E153 or E351 would be the way to go...

Im not saying you cant have S/C with VVTi. I definitely know thats possible. I'm saying that its possible that you need some special engineering and you cant use the same S/C for a Non VVTi model as you do for a VVTi model.

[Sebas007]

^^^
I was just wrote affirmation ! No problem man

In what VVT-i control is related to the S/C ?

Also I know different S/C version stands on the tranny AT or MT...on this I think the power must be control during shift differently from one to the other application. It makes sense to me...but not VVT-i...I think they are made to analyse the demand and to react in this way N/A or S/C'ed, don't you think...if not...why ? I'm trying to get more pertinent info as possible !

Thanks to share guys !

[Jon11582]

^^^
I was just wrote affirmation ! No problem man

In what VVT-i control is related to the S/C ?

Also I know different S/C version stands on the tranny AT or MT...on this I think the power must be control during shift differently from one to the other application. It makes sense to me...but not VVT-i...I think they are made to analyse the demand and to react in this way N/A or S/C'ed, don't you think...if not...why ? I'm trying to get more pertinent info as possible !

Thanks to share guys !

VVTi changings the timing on the valves in relation to the RPM. However, the S/C (on the 1MZ) increases the redline RPM, as well as where the peak powerband is in the range. Therefore the timing of the valves might not be in sync with the power profile after the S/C is put on. That could result in nothing, a loss of power, engine problems, or your car completely imploding. Which is it, I have no idea.

Just speculating.

[iinokturnolii]

im sure you guys heard of this... ever thought about it?

http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

[Sebas007]

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VVTi changings the timing on the valves in relation to the RPM. However, the S/C (on the 1MZ) increases the redline RPM, as well as where the peak powerband is in the range....
Just speculating.

I though VVT-i was getting the RPM but also the throttle position...the engine can runs at 5000RPM but with no throttle (0 volts from the throttle) to accelrate more...it can also runs at 3000RPM with full throttle (5 volts from the throttle)...it will ajust itself too.

[Sebas007]

im sure you guys heard of this... ever thought about it?

http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

Yeah some time ago someone posted it...can be interesting...but I would be aware of rain...and mostly snow touching the hot turbo housing !!! OUCH !! Even if they say that the turbo housing temp is 500F lower then a conventional 'under the hood' turbo housing...this would be my main concern...this and also the clearence under the car...

[iinokturnolii]

im sure you guys heard of this... ever thought about it?

http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

Yeah some time ago someone posted it...can be interesting...but I would be aware of rain...and mostly snow touching the hot turbo housing !!! OUCH !! Even if they say that the turbo housing temp is 500F lower then a conventional 'under the hood' turbo housing...this would be my main concern...this and also the clearence under the car...

yeah very true... i forgot it snows up there hehehe... out here in sunny california we just gotta "kinda" worry about rain...

i was checking out the site... its mainly used on muscle cars anyways... hmmm... check this out... i think this is the new m5?





TT? swweeeeeeettt!!!

[Sebas007]

I think powerful or not....the principle still the same

Some links on their website aren't working...like "How is it working..." well...let's ask question directly...but since it is my daily driving car... I doubt I can let the turbo housing able to touch so snow...

[ThatVietGuy]

im sure you guys heard of this... ever thought about it?

http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_system

Yeah some time ago someone posted it...can be interesting...but I would be aware of rain...and mostly snow touching the hot turbo housing !!! OUCH !! Even if they say that the turbo housing temp is 500F lower then a conventional 'under the hood' turbo housing...this would be my main concern...this and also the clearence under the car...

yeah very true... i forgot it snows up there hehehe... out here in sunny california we just gotta "kinda" worry about rain...

i was checking out the site... its mainly used on muscle cars anyways... hmmm... check this out... i think this is the new m5?





TT? swweeeeeeettt!!!

That's just demo car from some tuner house, do not expect the M5 to come with turbos anytime soon

[Sebas007]

Nobody else had any idea on the main topic ?