Running Solaras on ethanol (e85) works!

[MCOjerry]

Jerry, I didn't mean to single you out...I was referring more to the general population that constantly complain about prices without studying the economics surrounding the issue. Sorry if that statement was interpreted that way. Let me try to dig up the data on price...its reflected more as a slowed rate of increase than a definite price cut. Eventhough that seems so unlikely with current oil prices, it is true. I think the data came out of a Progressive Farmer publication...I will try to find it online.

No, no...I didn't take it that way. I was just saying that we actually have it pretty good as far as fuel prices go, so I try not to.

Actually, I don't even pay attention the price when I stop. It's more of an afterthought after I have started pumping, I look. It doesn't pay to look, and unless you have a station that is charging significantly less than all the others, it doesn't pay to shop stations either. You waste more gas driving all over. That's why I don't complain...if you don't look...LOL

So, I didn't think you were singling me out.

[MCOjerry]

All said, thanks for the post Kami and everybody's inputs. Makes good reading!

You made him sound like a girl...LOL Take that back!

[gnegroni]

E85 is kinda girly! (joke)

[DrLove]

DOes this product is made from corn or cereal?if yes, I don't think it's a good alternative. See how the price of these products rise and makes problem for the poor country. I saw that ethanol can be made from cellulose (paper)..that can be a good thing... but ethanol,oil,diesel,hydrogen,etc are not the futur, it's electricity for the next 100 years.

[XEusioN]

10HP and 40% fuel economy increases?

<sarcasm>I totally believe that.</sarcasm>

[funboy102]

looking at that site... check this out, http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Detail?no=167
the Pulstar Pulse Spark Plug, sounds really gimicky, you guys think it's real? At $25 a plug, that's $150 for us V6 guys. But you get more power and torque

This should help you answer the question

http://solaraguy.com/viewtopic.php?t=39 ... t=pulstars
http://solaraguy.com/viewtopic.php?t=39 ... t=pulstars

Thanks for the info!

[panic]

"so it's cheaper; then gas prices should go down"

Ethanol at the pump is cheaper... because we're subsidizing the cost back to the distiller with tax money at $1.45 per gallon, it's a Federal program ($7 billion in 2006).

Ethanol requires slightly more total energy (Kwh) to farm, harvest, distill, convey, store, dispense) than it produces when burned in the engine - you get between 90-95% of it, depending on who's talking.
How much is the energy return on production for gasoline?
Energy produced in the engine is 10,000% (100 times) more than it takes to find, drill, pump, distill, convey, store, dispense.

Ethanol (and methanol, propanol, butanol) has lower energy density than gasoline - fewer BTU per gallon consumed, which is why the mileage cannot be better.

How did all this smoke & mirror crap get started? Why would the Fed subsidize the cost of only 1 fuel?

And the answer is... (wait for it):

ADM

[gnegroni]

"so it's cheaper; then gas prices should go down"

Ethanol at the pump is cheaper... because we're subsidizing the cost back to the distiller with tax money at $1.45 per gallon, it's a Federal program ($7 billion in 2006).

Ethanol requires slightly more total energy (Kwh) to farm, harvest, distill, convey, store, dispense) than it produces when burned in the engine - you get between 90-95% of it, depending on who's talking.
How much is the energy return on production for gasoline?
Energy produced in the engine is 10,000% (100 times) more than it takes to find, drill, pump, distill, convey, store, dispense.

Ethanol (and methanol, propanol, butanol) has lower energy density than gasoline - fewer BTU per gallon consumed, which is why the mileage cannot be better.

How did all this smoke & mirror crap get started? Why would the Fed subsidize the cost of only 1 fuel?

And the answer is... (wait for it):

ADM

BRAVO! BRAVO!

[Somedude]

Not meaning to dismantle your advertisement here but I believe that only regular gasoline should be used.

The same with that HHo kit or whatever it is called, nothing but a scam item if you ask me.

[RDKamikaze]

Howdy everyone! I had no idea that this thread took off, I've been off in my own little world with working on HHO.

To be honest, I feel bad for anyone who think s HHO is a scam. It seems a bit of people do, but everyone has an opinion, right? I say don't knock it until you've tried it the right way. I'm getting about 70mpg now and I haven't changed my driving habits one bit. Oh yeah, and a little more performance as well. Take it as it is, peace. I'm going back to my other forum.

[Somedude]

Howdy everyone! I had no idea that this thread took off, I've been off in my own little world with working on HHO.

To be honest, I feel bad for anyone who think s HHO is a scam. It seems a bit of people do, but everyone has an opinion, right? I say don't knock it until you've tried it the right way. I'm getting about 70mpg now and I haven't changed my driving habits one bit. Oh yeah, and a little more performance as well. Take it as it is, peace. I'm going back to my other forum.

Whoever made that device is bound to be rich then right? I mean most of the people in the U.S. don't even know this thing exists, but if they did most would get it in a heartbeat and it would probably be the best selling product in a month. If you can get your invention on the news and it gets known, then I will shut the hell up.

[panic]

"everyone has an opinion, right"

Are you suggesting that whether this "invention" works is a matter of opinion?

Right, my opinion is that the sun is hotter than a block of ice, and your opinion is that it's not.

Despite current political rhetoric, much of the world is governed by laws of physics rather than popular vote. How many agree with you, or don't, has no effect whatever on the legitimacy of this concept. It's still impossible whether I say so or not.

[gnegroni]

They said Cold Fusion was impossible, in a few years time we might see some changes.

Even though I am not a mod, I'd say respect each other. Lets not make this a heated discussion...

[panic]

Fair enough, didn't mean to be rude.

However: there are certainly subjects where everyone's opinion has equal value, and must be considered: "Do you like chocolate or vanilla?"

There are other questions where the answer is subjective, but some people have more extensive grounding on the subject.
For example: I've reviewed and critiqued perhaps 10,000 divorce cases before retirement, so I'm pretty strong here (by the way - an FAQ I wrote for the Supreme Court is still up: http://www.victorylibrary.com/divorce/faq.htm )
On the other hand, electrons are a strange and frightening topic to me, so I try not to guess unless it's really simple.

The whole hydrogen thing is not really an engineering or scientific discussion, but an attempt to violate the laws of physics. There can be no difference of opinion on this, you either know it's impossible or you don't.
For a historical analogy: we're in Pisa, it's 1620. Aristotle stated 1900 years prior that the speed of a falling object is proportionate to its weight. Galileo proves this is not true, reversing and translating the prediction from (incorrect) opinion to fact. As of that date, the matter is no longer subjective.

[PXLpainter]

^^^ BUT... up until 1620, what was thought to be true wasn't challenged, right?

This opens up discussions (probably best left in another thread since we've hijacked the CRAP outta this one! ) - that mankind has learned all, discovered all, proven all, and will make no further discoveries or advancements in science?

I can appreciate hard facts and applied science. I will usually rally around data before I will myths fed by hope and wishful thinking, but there's still a part of me that likes to think that there are still some crazy notions, ideas and undiscovered theories out there that might just impact us in a great way as well.