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Stock talk about the Generation 2 and 2.5 Toyota Solara which was released in 2004-2007

How to build a Solara: View from the plant

How to build a Solara: View from the plant

Postby oldkystude » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:53 am

New guy here. Had some great comments and welcomes in the intro section and thought I should post over here now. I will probably hang out in the gen 2 area as I know nothing about the Canadian gen 1 cars, except they are very sharp and of great quality. One huge advantage Toyota has is their ability to move different models to different plants with relative ease. The reason the 2nd gen solara moved to KY was to make room for the Lexus RX330 production in Cambridge (Canada plant). Allas, the KY plant was not demonstrating the quality they were, and they got the 1st Lexus production line outside of Japan. I met some of the guys from there and they went through HELL getting their processes up to Lexus standards. We had room because the gen 2 Sienna van was too big for our assembly lines and conveyors, so it was transfered to Indiana. The overhead body conveyors in KY were installed with Camry in mind and the long wheelbase stuff won't make the turns.

Up until 6 weeks ago I was in Stamping, so I was not really in touch with anything that looked much like a car. The presses I took care of made very few "surface" parts the last few years as we have installed some really huge new presses that got those parts. Those press lines are much faster and the dies produce 2 parts per stroke. Example: the hood outer and hood inner panels were previously stamped on 2 separate sets of 4 dies each. Now they are both stamped side by side in one set of 4 giant dies, giving twice the parts per stroke. The dies are designed to be literally cut apart when they are relegated to "service" or replacement part production when the model is discontinued. This allows them to be stamped by one of our subsidiary companies who have smaller presses.

Stuff like this is what keeps Toyota the leader in cost reduction and production technology. The cars continue to get cheaper to build as efficiencies are implemented. They will be scrapping several complete, operable press lines in the next few years to bring in even newer "servo" press designs. (Google: Komatsu Servo Press if interested) They plow the profits back into the business continually to advance the technology. They will soon be ripping out a complete Body Weld line to install a new version. There is no end to it. There is no final design, only Kaizen: continual improvement. They also welcome any executive from any competitor who wants to see how we run. There was a team of executives in from GM a year ago. At some point the leader guy started hollering at his subordinates and saying thigs like "Why did you tell me we couldn't do this, and THEY CAN". They will go back and try to do whatever, but to Toyota, whatever we are doing on the production floor is ancient history and will be soon replaced. They don't give these tours to the development areas in Japan.

I'll shut up about Stamping now, but with 10 years there it is my main thing, and Body Weld is all new. You guys want to hear about Solara stuff! Mostly I can comment about body structure and how the body goes together, which I am now seeing daily. My favorite: The CONVERTIBLE! Has it's own little baby line and a small team of folks knocking out 34 a shift. Needs little maintenance, so I have had time to really study and compare the sedan and convertible body structure as we have the 2 "master bodies" and "underbody masters" almost side by side that I can look at (and check with a micrometer...).

Any questions, let me know and I will try to find out, but DON'T ASK ME ABOUT ANYTHING BUT BODY STAMPING AND ASSEMBLY! You guys know more than I about the rest of the car I assure you! HP
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Postby ClassySolaraGuy » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:55 am

:o Great information! I will definitely ask you questions in the future! 8)
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Postby PXLpainter » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:30 am

Wow - a great wealth of info... thanks for sharing! :D
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Postby MCOjerry » Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:51 am

That was a great write up and interesting information.
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Postby crispone » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:58 am

Hey Old KY!

Great stuff! "Unfortunately"... (Not REALLY! :wink: ) ...I am in the "HONDA" end of things... as a long time first tier supplier, but I cover the commercial and technical areas at a pretty "heady" level alot, so I get the purchasing and R&D/Design group driven tooling/costing strategy drill on a regular basis. Everything at the manufacturing level is Kaizen... which drives all manner of company culture throughout our facility as well. (I'm responsible for a variety of QA and manufacturing related systemization initiatives at the moment...) Your very fluid explanation of some of the highlights of Toyota's paradigm are GREAT insight for all of us. PLEASE continue to expound on such details, as we can ALL benefit from the information.

Very good to have a "manufacturer insider" with technical background among us! Despite my work-related Honda affiliation... I am a DIE HARD TOYOTA fan since my early years growing up in Japan. Even in our HONDA driven circles... the BENCHMARK is always Toyota and of course... LEXUS. Honda's "version" of the LEXUS mantra for perfection is driven by an "inside" concept referred to as "ABQ", or Acura Brand Quality... but there is a very "weak" underscore surrounding what exactly constitutes this ABQ in execution... whereas LEXUS' philosophy is driven systematically with VERY TANGIBLE initiatives that deliver on the intent...

Anyway... very much enjoying your posts.


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Postby michaels artic frost » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:52 am

PXLpainter wrote:Wow - a great wealth of info... thanks for sharing! :D


^^Agreed^^Thank you for sharing.

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Postby PhreakdOut » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:06 am

I love the info. I didn't know that about the cutting the dies in two for service. That's brilliant.

I've been to TMMK several times as a supplier. (Who now no longer supplies your plant.) I launched the exhaust for the 900T Avalon and the 260N Sienna (last mid model change before the move to TMMI.) I spent many long days watching the assembly workers processes and asking questions on how we can improve the design to make their job easier.

I have been to most of the Toyota plants in North America. (TMMC, TMMI, TMMK, NUMMI and TMMTX (prior to SOP). TMMI was prettier and newer than TMMK but the people were a little high strung. (Don't walk outside the green lines, you must have a TMMI person with you, yada,yada, yada.) I know it's rules but when you're spending day and night there to launch the Sequoia, you could cut a little slack on these suppliers. We're all part of the same team. ... The TMMK folks are the friendliest. Typical Southern Hospitality. They seem to go out of their way to talk with you and learn who you are and share info on how the car goes together. So TMMK may not have the pretty new building like TMMTX, but I think the team has the best heart.

To your comment on raising the bar of quality on the RX business, WOW! No kidding on that one. Our Cambridge, CN plant is just a few miles (kilometers) from TMMC. We supplied the full exhaust for the Lexus. Our assembly line is like an oasis in the manufacturing plant. You can spot the Lexus cell from across the plant. 5S is taken to a new level and the team is outstanding. They are proud of their cell and enthusiastically participate in Kaizen events regularly. (We should rotate all plant employees in and out of this cell but they must first pass special training before they can enter. Thus the pay grade for Lexus workers is slightly higher. Even if they rotate out.)

One of these days, we should have a mini-meet at TMMK and take the tour. (Or could you provide one?) LOL It's been a long time for me. (Since before the Gen2 Solara or current Avalon launched.)
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Plant tour as a group?

Postby oldkystude » Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:36 pm

PhreakdOut wrote: The TMMK folks are the friendliest. Typical Southern Hospitality. They seem to go out of their way to talk with you and learn who you are and share info on how the car goes together. So TMMK may not have the pretty new building like TMMTX, but I think the team has the best heart.

One of these days, we should have a mini-meet at TMMK and take the tour. (Or could you provide one?) LOL It's been a long time for me. (Since before the Gen2 Solara or current Avalon launched.)


Good post, and I did not know the suppliers were as involved as that. The TMMK tours are one of the biggest tourists stops in KY. They have a nice visitor center and show guests a short film before loading into tram cars for the narrated tour. I haver not taken it in a while and do not see the trams on my shift ususally so not sure if they visit the Solara line.

If you guys want to organize a group visit I will see about arrainging a "special" Solara tour. I don't think it has ever been done but we have never had a car that enthusiasts could get attached to. I am prtetty sure we could put something together that all would enjoy immensely if you can get enough folks together. I will leave it up to others to pull it together but will be happy to coordinate this end if you get enough interest. I would set a minimum target of 20. If you get this far I will make the pitch. We need to be careful on the dates as there are periods when they close tours down. We have summer and Christmas plant shutdowns, and always suspend tours when a new major model change is in works. The "Ace" has not been announced so it will not be a problem this summer. The shutdown week starts July 16 this year.

I will TRY to get permission to exit the trams for a quick walk through the Convertible line area as that would be the high point for you guys and it will soon be gone. (Don't get your hopes up, this has never been done before.) It should be ok if we coordinate the stop for when the line is not running. We have had special "family" day visits like that for the TMs.

As long as it does not conflict with the Studebaker National Meet I am in.

Here is a link to the plant with tour info.

http://www.toyotageorgetown.com

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Postby MCOjerry » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:11 pm

^^thanks for the link...

I guess you are right about the Solara being built well...read the article in the newsletter about the crash! http://www.toyotageorgetown.com/pdfs/Toyota_Topics.pdf

I think a lot of people would be VERY interested in a plant tour, the problem would be in getting 20 people to KY, or rather commit to going to KY.
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Postby crispone » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:56 am

Hey, it would be neat to have a very professional "collage" of our SolaraGuy rides framed and sent in to someone as a "tribute" to our enthusiasm for the car. Sometimes, if you get such a "gift" into the hands of the right Administrative or "Executive" person's hands, it can end up on a wall in an entryway or lobby somewhere... (I know, Toyota is pretty high-strung about selection on WHAT it WILL and will NOT consider good practice and PR... then again, they HAVE made some errors along the way...)

I'd be up for a TMMK tour. I've already done most of the Honda facilities... and MANY satellite suppliers as well. Having previously worked in a bulk fastener manufacturer... we supplied EVERYBODY, so Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Suzuki, etc... and various second and third tier suppliers like Nissin, Aisin, Showa, Keihin, etc... (Under DIFFERENT NAMES based on plant an operation... etc...) were regular clientelle... (I guess not EVERYONE.... when the last of the FORD and CHRYSLER business on certain fastener lines ran out... we opted to "NO-QUOTE" such volatile business with the "big three" anymore...)

Anyway... I'd be up for a tour if one gets arranged and I can get free...

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Postby MCOjerry » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:06 pm

I would consider a going up as well, depending on what happens with my employment...

EDIT: I'd prefer summer weather so I can drive up top down :lol:
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Postby ---CAMRAZY--- » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:08 pm

Any pictures of the inside of the plant????
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Postby MCOjerry » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:10 pm

Forgot to ask...if you were able to arrange, would you also be able to recommend a nice hotel?
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Tour the plant?

Postby oldkystude » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:41 pm

MCOjerry wrote:Forgot to ask...if you were able to arrange, would you also be able to recommend a nice hotel?


Sure, there are several nearby as the plant is only a mile off I-75 at a major exit. There are also a lot of B&Bs nearby. Georgetown has a nice older downtown with good antique shopping and the KY Horse Park is only a few miles away if you want to check that out.

The standard tour will take little preparation, but a custom tour will have obstacles that would be easier to overcome with the promise of a large group.

Sorry, no inside photos of the plant available other than at the link I provided, and cameras are forbidden.

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Postby MCOjerry » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:09 pm

I75 is almost a straight shot for me...that's cool.

I need to find a job first LOL, then I can plan some time off.
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