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Clicking under the hood?

Clicking under the hood?

Postby scLara626 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:22 pm

What is it? its a steady clicking when im driving at any speeds and at idle and its not like it increases as my speed goes up. It just stays the same, And it doesnt start to clicking right away...........anybody am sure its basic but its got me?
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Postby MCOjerry » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:43 pm

Um...you have any enemies?

Sounds like a bomb.
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Postby scLara626 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:47 pm

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Postby SPF 0 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:49 pm

Normally I might think it's a lifter going bad but that should increase with speed.

How old is your car and how many miles on it?
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Postby scLara626 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:54 pm

2004 got in 03 36,500k miles on it
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Re: Clicking under the hood?

Postby crispone » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:49 pm

scLara626 wrote:What is it? its a steady clicking when im driving at any speeds and at idle and its not like it increases as my speed goes up. It just stays the same, And it doesnt start to clicking right away...........anybody am sure its basic but its got me?


Pure speculation here... but this is what I'm going on....

- steady clicking
- doesn't start right away
- doesn't vary with engine speed

I tried to consider WHAT component on the vehicle would "spin" or operate at a steady rate all the time, but NOT upon initial start-up...

How about the radiator fan AFTER the engine comes up to temp. and it kicks in and begins to run. (not sure if it should cycle on and off on these... haven't looked into it...) Could there be a "piece of tape" from the "winding" around a harness or something that has come a little loose and is now being "flicked" by the fan blades? (like putting a playing card in your spokes on an old Shwinn with Banana seat! HA HA!!!) Perhaps the "salvage" from a nylon tie or something?

Just a thought....

I'd check the car when it is shut off and COOL (no chance of electric fan kicking in). Look around the radiator electric fan blades and shroud...


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Postby Down2TheC » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:24 pm

^^^ Damn nice theory if it's that fast. Also it could be a vacuum line related thing. Portions of the system only get a vacuum after warmup. A constant suction on a failing valve could cause a cyclic tick. (long shot)

The other thing that ticks is a solenoid. Can't seeing that being ongoing tho.
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Postby scLara626 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:45 am

If this helps it seems to be coming from the passenger side?
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Postby PhreakdOut » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:24 am

SPF 0 wrote:Normally I might think it's a lifter going bad but that should increase with speed.

How old is your car and how many miles on it?


No lifters in an overhead cam engine. You're thinking old school pushrod Chevy V-8s. :wink:

Some ticking noise is normal. Fuel injectors for example, make a ticking noise under normal operation. The noise speed will match engine speed.

Naturally, you should ALWAYS have the dealer check ANY odd noises you hear. Especially while it is under warranty. Even if they can't find it, you want it on record that the problem showed up when it was under warranty.

Before you take it in, just for fun, try to find the source of the noise first. This will REALLY help the mechanic.

1) Note WHEN the noise appears.
- When the engine is cold and you first start it up.
- Does the noise go away when the engine comes to temperature?
- This will help the mechanic determine if it is a case of poor oil circulation to a part of the valve train. Perhaps the engine needs a good flushing or you have oil sludge build up.

2) Isolate WHERE the noise is.
- Use an allen head wrench and remove the plastic engine cover.
- You will need a partner to do this since it is throttle by wire and there is no throttle cable. Have your friend slowly increase engine speed while your under the hood listening for the noise. (Do I need to clarify that the car is supposed to be in park and not moving? LMAO That could get ugly.)
Have him or her stop when you signal the noise is the most obvious.
- Have your partner note the RPM that the noise is most noticeable.
- Take a common screwdriver (The tool, not the drink.) and use it to find the source location of the ticking. Loosely holding the screwdriver place the tip in various spots along the valve covers and fuel injector rails that go along side the valve covers.
- If you can't find it try placing it on the engine block between the valve cover and exhaust manifold. You won't be able to do the for the rear bank of cylinders.
- When you find it, note the location. Place a dab of White Out there if you have to so you can show the dealer.

If it's a valve train issue, this helps the mechanic understand EXACTLY when the failure might be.

3) Also check the exhaust. Under the same test, hold your hand close (but not on) the exhaust manifold and feel for pulses of air. A leak or crack can cause a noteable ticking noise that matches RPM but should fade away when RPMs are high. Visually inspect the exhaust to see if you hit it running over something. A torn or leaking flex bellows in the exhaust will do this as well.

4) If you can't find the ticking when the car is parked, take it out for a test drive in an empty parking garage or a parking lot when you can hear the sounds.
- Is it a small tick that sounds off about the time it take for the tire to make one full revolution. (Check tires for a rock or foreign object imbedded in the tread.)
- While rolling, does the ticking go away when the transmission is placed in neutral? Is it gone when the car stops rolling?

I know a lot of this is oversimplified. A little time spent on your part will save the dealership from possibly missing the root cause of the problem or wasting a lot of your time waiting for the car to be checked out.

Sometimes they don't spend the time to find or duplicate the problems. Sometimes they need to keep the car overnight so it is cold when they try to find the noise.

Good luck and let us know what you find.
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Postby SPF 0 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:46 am

I thought even OHC engines have hydraulic adjusters that cause a clicking noise if they were failing.
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Re: Clicking under the hood?

Postby PhreakdOut » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:50 am

scLara626 wrote:What is it? its a steady clicking when im driving at any speeds and at idle and its not like it increases as my speed goes up. It just stays the same, And it doesnt start to clicking right away...........anybody am sure its basic but its got me?


Sorry, I just reread your original post. (My bad) My above post won't help much.
- Steady clicking while driving.
- Does not increase with RPMs.
- Starts when warmed up or hot.

When it comes is it a consistant ticking pattern? (Not like the splash shield is loose and cavetating at speed.)
Does it sound like metal or plastic?
Does it sound muffled like it is internal to the engine?
Does it click while turning left or right? (I believe you have TRD springs if I remember correctly.)

I like Chris' advice of checking the obvious. Obstructions to the fan.

Sorry for the advice gone astray. I'm going to go find some coffee now.
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Postby PhreakdOut » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:00 am

SPF 0 wrote:I thought even OHC engines have hydraulic adjusters that cause a clicking noise if they were failing.


My bad again. Far too little coffee this am. Thinking push rods and associated noises from loose rockers. Sorry Howard. I'm going to go extract my head now.
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Postby steve-o » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:03 am

Could be a rubber belt. If the clicking occurs at idle you can grab a stethoscope and check around. See if the timing belt is making noise.
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Postby crispone » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:31 am

steve-o wrote:Could be a rubber belt. If the clicking occurs at idle you can grab a stethoscope and check around. See if the timing belt is making noise.


This should increase/decrease with engine speed...

...then again, maybe we shouldn't LIMIT our diagnosis to the 3 known symptom descriptors as have been identified so far...

Just working my way through a lazy morning (if you can call waking to the gurgling/gasping/snorting/phlegm-expelling chest congested coughs of my 3 month old just MINUTES after the NURSE/wife headed in to work a tad before six a.m..... followed by the trampling feet of a GLEEFUL two year old girlygirl plunging into my pelvis with her head in a morning greeting of "DA-DEEEE"... accompanied by two brothers, five and seven who hit the floor fighting to get the WiiRemote to play Legend of ZELDA first... so the tally is, two diaper changes, one infant bathing, a bottle, a shower at sauna level temperatures to try to decongest my springy-chair-bobbing baby boy, multiple conflicts, three scoldings, two omelettes, a cup of Ovaltine, one fights, and two major infant snot-cleanings later...) wherein I have finally put my fatherly foot down and given a "SERMON" to the three older (2,5,7) year-olds about how upset it makes daddy when little Brockie, who was up (keeping daddy and mommy up, consequently) half the night FINALLY swings off to sleep and the fight that broke out JERKS him back into miserable consciousness... which permeates the room and carries into ALL our mornings... so I lay out the NEW RULES, which state that NO WORD shall be spoken by EITHER of the two older boys UNLESS a HAND HAS BEEN RAISED and acknowledged by daddy... and EACH shall find several books and retreat into TWO different designated locations to QUIETLY read until further notice...

...hmmm.... it's been an HOUR now, and this is the BEST morning I've had in WEEKS! YAY to the BOOK-READING-CLASSROOM-DISCIPLINE technique!!!

Wha'?! Something about a NOISE from the car???

Could you ELIMINATE speculated causes for us if they prove to be "off the mark"? (...and don't hesitate to ADD to the 3 --> now FOUR things we know about the issue...)

Oh, by the way, Brian... I fresh ground a ten-cup (4, in MY BIG coffee cup...) fix of Indonesian Sulawesi roast, and am already on my 2nd DOUBLE-cup as I post this... perhaps NO coffee isn't so bad for diagnostic thread replies afterall??? :o )

Oh, by the way.... here is EVIDENCE of the "HAND RAISING" rule in effect...


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Postby Down2TheC » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:08 pm

I think scLara626 bailed on this conversation. So here's the ultimate solution.

When you start up the engine
1. Roll up the windows.
2. Crank the stereo

Problem solved.

Seriously though... little tick sounds can be deceiving as to their true source. Make sure you turn off the HVAC when you're hearing the tick and see if that changes or erradicates it. That fan is one of the few things that runs at constant speed and if you're on heat it would be off until things heat up. Also it's on the passenger side.
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