Question about auto to manual conversion.

[TLMNICK]

Man this 5spd thing is gonna be a mission. I don't care about the traction control very much since the car never sees snow, and has only seen rain once since I've owned it. the climate controls on the other hand I like, and would very much love to keep. At the same time, I don't want any engine lights.

I wish friggin toyota made the SE 5spd with auto climate controls...problem solved.

Now, if you're swapping out an entire harness....does that include EVERYTHING under the hood?....or just components connected to the tranny?

[ASG14]

It;s all 1 harness.....

[TLMNICK]

So theoretically you could rip out Both harnesses, put them side by side, and transfer auto-climate pieces, and put them into the manual harness. I realize that would be a huge mission, and you'd have to know exactly what to take. Not to mention that you'd have to slice open the entire thing from end to end. Has anything of that nature ever been attempted?

[TxBmbleBee]

that makes sense now. so eengineer has no cels?

[ASG14]

^ Nope. CEL free. Maybe the SRS light is all, unless he fixed that.

[Gregtrd]

It;s all 1 harness.....

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^^^Nope not one harness, there's a dash harness,engine harness, firewall harness, there's two separate harness that wrap around the front end of the car, mismatch the harness and you'll have a fun day, call toyota you'll see. I've done lots of swaps both I4 to v6 and manual swaps, swaping out the right harness is a lot easier then trying to rewire your harness. when messing with the wiring you better have good trouble shooting skills, some differences in wiring for example is the abs pump, toyota uses two different pumps with different plugs and wiring, the difference in a dash harness also depends on weather you have an immobilizer or not, the fuse box that's on the driver side is different, some of you that have an immobilizer will have a large white plug on the box that has the warning bell and those that don't have the immobilizer will have a smaller orange plug, trust me you don't want to try to rewire all that. anyhow I can go forever on all the differences but I won't.I'm ASE Certified in electrical and electronics in automotive and also have a electronics degree. I'm not saying that this makes me better then anyone. If anyone need any help I'm willing to help out.

[Gregtrd]

[quote="Eye8Pussies"]hmm...l



During the swap, the entire engine harness was swapped. But it is not a must if you have somebody who can go through wiring diagrams and re-wire parts of the harness. The automatic harness, with modifications, can fit the 5-speed ecu (in the case of the gen3 3vzfe).
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It sound like the gen3 camry is less trouble, could it be because its obd1 vs obd2? Did you have any issues with your idle when stopping or when depressing the clutch?
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If you have an SE auto and you want to do the swap, you should be able to swap the SE 5-speed EcU with slight to no modification to the harness.
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For some strange reason with the 99-03 solara and 99-01 camry thats not the case, when I did solarizona solara 5 speed swap using his auto wiring harness, I kept getting solenoid codes. I used 3 different ecu's all manuals, one of those 5speed ecu's was from the silver parts car solara I bought from gabe(I" think" that solara belonged to dats) and still got solenoids cel. How did you trick the direct clutch speed sensor? I've talk with Texas bumblebee and it sounds like he has the same problems and codes I did when using the auto harness. Have you done any solara 5speed swaps or gen4 4.5 camry?
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I did bbq bob 5 speed swap and had no cels, I did use a 5speed solara harness on his camry and had some issues with certain items, the solara has certain stuff wired up different so I did spend some time rewiring certain things, the windsheild wiper motor has the same plug but the order of the wires is different and didn't work properly but found the problem, nothing I couldn't handle. I was expecting to rewire the rear doors and now work flawless, the more challenging thing is when trying to trick the ecu.

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[Gregtrd]

[quote="Eye8Pussies"]hmm...l



During the swap, the entire engine harness was swapped. But it is not a must if you have somebody who can go through wiring diagrams and re-wire parts of the harness. The automatic harness, with modifications, can fit the 5-speed ecu (in the case of the gen3 3vzfe).
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It sound like the gen3 camry is less trouble, could it be because its obd1 vs obd2? Did you have any issues with your idle when stopping or when depressing the clutch?
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If you have an SE auto and you want to do the swap, you should be able to swap the SE 5-speed EcU with slight to no modification to the harness.
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For some strange reason with the 99-03 solara and 99-01 camry thats not the case, when I did solarizona solara 5 speed swap using his auto wiring harness, I kept getting solenoid codes. I used 3 different ecu's all manuals, one of those 5speed ecu's was from the silver parts car solara I bought from gabe(I" think" that solara belonged to dats) and still got solenoids cel. How did you trick the direct clutch speed sensor? I've talk with Texas bumblebee and it sounds like he has the same problems and codes I did when using the auto harness. Have you done any solara 5speed swaps or gen4 4.5 camry?
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I did bbq bob 5 speed swap and had no cels, I did use a 5speed solara harness on his camry and had some issues with certain items, the solara has certain stuff wired up different so I did spend some time rewiring certain things, the windsheild wiper motor has the same plug but the order of the wires is different and didn't work properly but found the problem, nothing I couldn't handle. I was expecting to rewire the rear doors and now work flawless, the more challenging thing is when trying to trick the ecu.

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[Eye8Pussies]

not too sure if the gen3 is less trouble, but my 94 is obdII actually,so the problems should be similar.

as for the idle problem, I actually dealt with that problem back when I first went boost. The iac on the gen3 isn't as smart as the one on the gen4 and has even less communication with the ecu than on the gen4/solara, so I would stall at lights due to the extra load on the crank. The gen4/solara doesn't have this problem since the ecu compensates for that load.

But as a simple solution, I just turned up the base idle by adjusting the screw on my throttlebody (keeps the TB flap slightly open) and problem solved.

And I never had to deal with that problem with the direct clutch speed sensor, as there is no 5-speed ecu available for the gen3 1mz and I can't run a gen4 ecu since my ignition, cooling and P/S system is different than the gen4.

That's rather strange that even with a 5-speed ecu, you have solenoid problems, since a manual transmission has no solenoids? Did you keep the auto harness when you did that?

And funny that you mentioned that the harness was different at the windshield motor on bbq bob's swap, because we ran into the same issue when swapping EEngineer's car.


I would also have to agree with you on a couple of things though- I'm not surprised that toyota keeps changing their harnesses and that some are easier to work with than others. hell, look at how often they change a lot of other things on the cars just by a couple wires here and there. And I also have to agree that sometimes it's easier swapping a harness than rewiring, but it isn't always the case with all harnesses. Everybody who tackles this kind of job should be religiously going through both mechanical manuals as well as wiring diagrams to figure out what the most efficient and effective way of doing the job is. And sometimes, harnesses only have a difference of a couple of wires, or different plugs, which is easily solved.

[Gregtrd]

And I never had to deal with that problem with the direct clutch speed sensor, as there is no 5-speed ecu available for the gen3 1mz and I can't run a gen4 ecu since my ignition, cooling and P/S system is different than the gen4.
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The direct clutch speed sensor go's on the auto trans, it the small 2 wire black plug on the top on the auto trans, it's basiclly a second speed sensor, I think I got that one figured out.
As for you using the gen4 ecu you can convert to the gen4. I did this to miltons gen3 when I did his 3mz/1mz swap I converted his car to the gen4
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That's rather strange that even with a 5-speed ecu, you have solenoid problems, since a manual transmission has no solenoids? Did you keep the auto harness when you did that?
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Yeah I did use all the auto harness, that's why I rather swap everything and be done with and avoid all the headaches.
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And funny that you mentioned that the harness was different at the windshield motor on bbq bob's swap, because we ran into the same issue when swapping EEngineer's car.
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how long did it take you to figure that out?
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I would also have to agree with you on a couple of things though- I'm not surprised that toyota keeps changing their harnesses and that some are easier to work with than others. hell, look at how often they change a lot of other things on the cars just by a couple wires here and there. And I also have to agree that sometimes it's easier swapping a harness than rewiring, but it isn't always the case with all harnesses. Everybody who tackles this kind of job should be religiously going through both mechanical manuals as well as wiring diagrams to figure out what the most efficient and effective way of doing the job is. And sometimes, harnesses only have a difference of a couple of wires, or different plugs, which is easily solved.

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I agree,

[michaelr295]

how much dose it run to do the swap
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i need the swap
the auto takes away to much power

[ASG14]

^ Damnit, SEARCH!

[ToyoSolV6]

how much dose it run to do the swap
?????
i need the swap
the auto takes away to much power

SEARCH button is the easiest way to get your answers
by not being flammed lol

Just to give you a rough idea though.
I know a tranny swap from a v6 auto can run
anywhere between 3k to 4k.

[TxBmbleBee]

i have a thread somewhere on here with some pics that might help you michael. just search for it.

***edit: heres a great link man, helped me out a lot.

http://www.1jz.com/camry/guide-trans.htm